Why Ruiz Fans Notice Certain Things.

[WillieW]

My! My! My!
Aren't we a bit feisty today!
Let me clarify the issue in an effort to bring you back to reality assuming that you have not gone too far over the edge and are still capable of at least a little basic cogent reasoning.

Right now, my friend, you are at a Ruiz fan forum.

I will assume that you know this and knew it when you decided to participate here. After all, it is prominently posted and anyone coming here can readily see that this forum has the Ruiz name prominently displayed for all visitors to clearly see.

Now, since this is a Ruiz forum specifically set up for Ruiz fans, what should you expect to find? Hmmmmm? Anti Ruiz comments predominating? Is that what you would expect to find on any other fighter's forum? Come now, be honest with yourself and give this some thought compadre.

In any case, perhaps I should clear things up a bit for you so that the mental fog caused by your anti-Ruiz rage can lift a little and you can see perhaps a glimmer of some much-needed light.

Personally, I refrain from participating in fan forums of boxers that I strongly disapprove of. You see, common decency requires that I refrain from going to that site with the sole purpose of degrading boxer. Why? Well, because at that site I will meet people who strongly disagree with my strong dislike and will contradict what I say.

Now, here is where insanity might come in if we are not careful.

Let's suppose that I did visit such a site and I ran across positive comments about that boxer from that boxer's fans?
and I began taking offense and began demanding that such comments not be made.

Then, of course, if I am unceremoniously categorized as a certifiable lunatic, I couldn't blame the person for thinking such a thing. After all, normal people expect these things at a fan site. Normal people either don't visit such sites if they don't wish to see such normal things, or else they put up or shut up.

What normal people refrain from doing, bon vivant, is going to Larry Holmes sites, for instance, for the specific purpose of badmouthing Larry Holmes in front of Larry Holmes fans and then indecently demanding that Larry Holmes fans not defend Larry Holmes but that they keep their godamn mouths shut at the Larry Holmes site.

That's what normal people don't do.
Hope that helps.

BTW

Just because a person uses cogent reasoning doesn't mean that the person is claiming to be a logician.



Also, please speak English.
Their is no such adverb as "vomitous".

And no, I never got a "D"
I aced all my classes.
Sorry!

Your putting us on right? Please say you are...please restore my faith in humanity. You can't really think you can come on a boxing site and convince the posters that John Ruiz is an unrecognized great in the boxing world. Anyone that knows boxing realises that Ruiz survives in a weak division by slobbering all over his opponents and sneeking in ugly right hands. The only good thing I can say about Ruiz is that he at least comes to slobber....er fight, and he stays in shape.

Oh, you may find grammatical errors in my paragraph. I don't give a ****. I do hold a degree from a University and it dosen't mean **** here. Your being a bit pompous, don't ya think? Oh, you most likely don't, sorry.

[DR. FREECLOUD]

what does a dictionary and a Dinosaur have to do with it?

my favorite one by the way is T-Rex

you're truely a trip!!!

[Rocko]

I had decided not to post at this site any longer.
But then came across your ridiculous statements.
So I will temporarily delay my exit to respond briefly.

About your **** accusations?
Sorry to disappoint you.
I prefer women.

My view on ******?


Well, I won't be politically correct this time.
I will be honest.
I consider ****** an abomination.

I am what?
A fan of Ruiz?
I suppose I am a fan of Wiliams too simply because I pointed out the obvious?

That's ridiculous!

Actually, I don't really like Ruiz's manner of fighting.
So I am not a fan of Ruiz per se.
So you are confusing two different things here.
Fandom for a person and fandom for a concept.
What concept?


Justice!

Still unable to understand due to too much stagnant water on the brain?

Well, then here is what you need to do.

Get a basic education via remedial classes.
If you mannage to pass those classes without seriously injuring yourselves, then come back a read my explanation again.

[DR. FREECLOUD]

Ruiz fans are just like any other people.
They use inductive and deductive reasoning to reach logical conclusions.

Pardon me ma'm for saying so, but ruiz fans are really not like other people. infact, they, as you have proven here with your thread, are really nothing like the rest of the boxing world fans.

For those who might perhaps be unfamiliar with these methods:

Deductive reasoning is when you make a generalization about something and base your conclusion about something on that generalization.

Here is an example:

A longer reach provides distance fighting advantage.
Joe has the longer reach.
Joe has a distance fighting advantage.


Inductive reasoning is different in that it relies on observation of patterns. Patterns being a repetition of events. Then a generalization or conclusion is reached.

Here is an example:

The ref permitted one fighter to hit the other while the other was down.
The ref then permitted one fighter to hit the other behind the head.

The ref repeatedly warns only one fighter.

Conclusion or inductive leap:

This is biased ref.

Oh sure we are quite aware of these methods of reasoning. let me give you my examples:

Deductive reasoning

A shorter reach provides a distance fighting advantage.
John ruiz has the shorter reach, and penis.
John has a distance fight disadvantage. (as well as a sexual disadvantage)

or

Jay Nady does not permit holding and hitting at the same time.(it's actually a rule)
John Ruiz holds and hits.
John Ruiz is a dirty fighter and as long as Jay nady is Ref john stands no chance.

Inductive reasoning

John Ruiz holds and hits.
John Ruiz hugs and hits.
John Ruiz does not allow action

Conclusion or inductive leap:

John ARuiz is a boring and dirty fighter.

Now this is the well-known and accepted way in which conclusions are reached in logic and in the sciences as well.


Unfortunately, when Ruiz fans use these established reasoning methods, some anti-Ruiz say that Ruiz fans are being illogical.

The reason is that ruiz fans see what they want to see.

Instead of striving to explain the su****ious behavior that causes Ruiz fans to take notice, these Anti Ruiz fans choose to criticize them for noticing the su****ious behavior in the first place!!!!

I hope I cleared up what non-ruiz fans are seeing. If you ask me i think it is su****ious that other refs aloow john ruiz to continue to break the rules.

In short, they take umbrage not really with the issues involved. They are actually taking umbrage with the principles of reasonung itself.

Which speaks volumes about the intellectual level at which some anti-Ruiz fans are functioning.

I personally take no offense what-so-ever. John Ruiz is fighting in an era where there are 2nd tier fighters anyway. Its not that the others are taking offense to the "principles of reasoning", its more the fact that ruiz fans are blinded by the love of thier fighter. They do not see the whole picture. Therefore the "principles of reasoning" which Ruiz fans base thier OPINIONS on have no ground to stand on.[/QUOTE]

BTW

A person wishing not to be suspected must not act su****iously.
Otherwise su****ion will arise concerning the su****ious behavior.

BTW

If a person were to actually know boxing and its rules, they would have no reason to be su****ious of a ref actually enforcing the rules.

[marvdave]

I had decided not to post at this site any longer.

please don't go, you have inspired me to go back to night school and get my GED. In the short period of time that you have graced us, I feel that I've learned so much from you. Your superior intellect and grammer skills are truly inspirational.

[bigdaddy]

please don't go, you have inspired me to go back to night school and get my GED. In the short period of time that you have graced us, I feel that I've learned so much from you. Your superior intellect and grammer skills are truly inspirational.

You guys are killing me. To funny, but very true.

[scap]

not to get political here but ****in a Im glad he's a **********...I was scared to death that he was some smart ass *******, turns out he's just another *** hatin conservative...I was worried there for a minute.

[bigdaddy]

Pardon me ma'm for saying so, but ruiz fans are really not like other people. infact, they, as you have proven here with your thread, are really nothing like the rest of the boxing world fans.



Oh sure we are quite aware of these methods of reasoning. let me give you my examples:

Deductive reasoning

A shorter reach provides a distance fighting advantage.
John ruiz has the shorter reach, and penis.
John has a distance fight disadvantage. (as well as a sexual disadvantage)

or

Jay Nady does not permit holding and hitting at the same time.(it's actually a rule)
John Ruiz holds and hits.
John Ruiz is a dirty fighter and as long as Jay nady is Ref john stands no chance.

Inductive reasoning

John Ruiz holds and hits.
John Ruiz hugs and hits.
John Ruiz does not allow action

Conclusion or inductive leap:

John ARuiz is a boring and dirty fighter.




The reason is that ruiz fans see what they want to see.



I hope I cleared up what non-ruiz fans are seeing. If you ask me i think it is su****ious that other refs aloow john ruiz to continue to break the rules.



I personally take no offense what-so-ever. John Ruiz is fighting in an era where there are 2nd tier fighters anyway. Its not that the others are taking offense to the "principles of reasoning", its more the fact that ruiz fans are blinded by the love of thier fighter. They do not see the whole picture. Therefore the "principles of reasoning" which Ruiz fans base thier OPINIONS on have no ground to stand on.

BTW

If a person were to actually know boxing and its rules, would have no reason to be su****ious of a ref actually enforcing the rules.[/QUOTE]

And this, this is just way to true. I will have to send Karma your way.

[Rocko]

So you would have me believe that Ruiz is so strong that he prevents fighters from moving away as he moves in? Since when does a fighter's moving toward you prevent you for moving away in order to maintain the right punching distance? Since Ruiz began moving forward?

No amigo.
What is happening is not Ruiz forcing your boys into clinches. Your boys are too big and strong to be forced in that way.

What's really happening compadre Pedro Juan, is that Ruiz lands a punch, hurts one of your boys, and your boys take refuge under Ruiz's sobaco in order to rest.

That's what's really going on.
And if you doubt it look art the fights and see for yourself that your boys are cooperating in winding up in clinches in order to recover from just getting hit.

As a matter of fact, Rahman is a prime example.
Look at the way he cooperated and instead of side stepping or moving backwards he repeatedly went right along and sought the safety of the clinch. Simply put, it benefited him to go right along.

That's the same reason why opponents would repeatedly waltz with Tysone in the middle of the ring. To recover.

[jayschre]

Obviously you either know absolutely NOTHING about boxing or else are handicapped in a way that I am not fully aware of yet.

Otherwise you would not make such an ignorant statement as you just have.

Evertyone even minimally familiarized with boxing knows that blocking and slipping are legal tactics whie the tactics that your boy Vitalis was using are not.

Holding behind the neck and pulling a fighter down so that his legal punches go low is not.

Neither is trying to hit a fighter who is clearly down as Vitali tried to do legal.

Neither is hitting behind the head and pushing as Vitali did.

Why such a big fella like Vitali who is clearly outclassing his opponent thinks he needs to fight dirty is waayyy beyond me.

But even more disturbing is why a ref would think that such a big fella who is clearly outclassing his opponent needs extra ref assistance.

BTW

If you don't agree thatr what I am pointing out were violations then you agree with everything Vitali and Nady did.

Actually, that you defend such clear violations by a Vitali and a Nady is not unexpected.

To me it comes across as the "My-country-right-or-wrong but-my-country" bs in a fight ring microcosm.

Also, your last statement is nonsensical.

OK smart guy are you really trying to rag on Klitchko for holding and hitting behind the head all while you are defending Ruiz? Cause if so then my first reaction to your bull**** is to laugh at you hysterically and call you a ****tard! If not then..........Ah hell your a ****tard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!