Why Ruiz Fans Notice Certain Things.

[Nautilus]

1. Power punches connected.
2. Ring generalship
3. Overall punches scored
4. Who is controlling the action
5. Knockdowns

Consider Ruis vs Golota:

Golota won

1)see below, 2) opinion, 3) see below, 4) boxing action, 5) Scored 2 knockdowns.

Golota may not have controlled the wrestling action, and so he
may not get the wrestling version of 4).

Ruiz was down twice in the 2nd. Ruiz had one point deducted for hitting after the Break.



How the heck did Ruiz get the decision?!


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Total Punches Landed / Thrown

Round
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Ruiz 14/53 10/29 6/24 10/33 7/35 4/22 11/31 8/27 9/35 16/41 7/31 19/45
Golota 8/32 16/46 12/32 13/21 13/30 12/32 20/31 11/37 13/30 12/36 9/27 13/33


Power Punches Landed / Thrown

Round
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Ruiz 8/30 7/21 2/12 8/20 4/21 3/14 5/15 7/17 7/26 13/27 5/18 15/30
Golota 5/22 13/36 7/15 8/12 7/19 8/16 7/13 8/28 7/20 9/22 6/16 8/15

[jayschre]

Please name me a decent fighter that your beloved John Ruiz has one of his "numerous early ko's/tko's" against, cause all that I can find is a bunch of nobody tomato cans with some pitiful records! I will take five of his 1st rd. ko/tko victims and now add up their records........................................... .....................
How about 5 wins and 38 losses between FIVE guys and to make matters worse one guy has three of those wins. Add this up and you come to a conclusion that Ruiz does not have ko power unless he fights bums!!!!!!!

[TheFairPole]

This guy talks exactly like my HALF brother who is suffering from mental illness! He has paranoid schitzophrenia! I think thats how you spell it! He is just scary to be around and he holds conversations with the voices right in front of everyone! He always is argumentive and this is exactly how he sounds! He argues the opposite just to argue even when he is absolutely wrong! Just like ****o! ****o scares me too!

[DR. FREECLOUD]

This is an accusation routinely leveled against Ruiz.
That he doesn't box but merely wrestles his way to victories.


But regardless of the conviction with which such accusations are repeated--just how much sense does it make?

Not much if you really know how boxing matches are scored. Below I will list the factors that the judges consider when they give points to boxers.

1. Power punches connected.
2. Ring generalship
3. Overall punches scored
4. Who is controlling the action
5. Knockdowns

Lets take the first one first.

Simply stated you cannot pitter patter your way to a win. A boxer pitter pattering will not be given the credit that his opponent who is landing the big shots will.

Why?

Well, because the reason that boxers pitter patter is because they fear to commit. That's because commitment opens them up for counter punching. Pitter pattering is quicker and safer. But it also makes a bad impression.

The second one, Ring Generalship is who is controlling the action. Is the boxer in control, or is he merely reacting ineffectively or barely surviving what his opponent does. Is he fleeing due to fear?

Or is he circling to find the angles? If it is due to fear and ineffectual, judges will tend to look more favorably on the boxer taking the initiative. That's why Delahoya lost to Trinidad.

Knockdowns of course are worth more than regular punches. A boxer might have lost the rest of the round but a knockdown evens the score or might put him ahead.

Now, what does all this have to do with Ruiz?
Well, plenty. There is nowhere any stipulation saying that boxers get points for wrestling. So when the scores are tallied, what is being counted or considered are the points enumerated above.

Nothing more.

i was just wondering who actually scores using your way of scoring. to dispell any confusion here are the actual factors in scoring a boxing match.

1. clean punches landed
2. ring generalship
3. effective aggressiveness
4. defense

the knockdowns are obvious.

So you would have me believe that Ruiz is so strong that he prevents fighters from moving away as he moves in? Since when does a fighter's moving toward you prevent you for moving away in order to maintain the right punching distance? Since Ruiz began moving forward?

No amigo.
What is happening is not Ruiz forcing your boys into clinches. Your boys are too big and strong to be forced in that way.

What's really happening compadre Pedro Juan, is that Ruiz lands a punch, hurts one of your boys, and your boys take refuge under Ruiz's sobaco in order to rest.

That's what's really going on.
And if you doubt it look art the fights and see for yourself that your boys are cooperating in winding up in clinches in order to recover from just getting hit.

As a matter of fact, Rahman is a prime example.
Look at the way he cooperated and instead of side stepping or moving backwards he repeatedly went right along and sought the safety of the clinch. Simply put, it benefited him to go right along.

That's the same reason why opponents would repeatedly waltz with Tysone in the middle of the ring. To recover.

ok then explain to me how john ruiz forced frez to clinch with punches when there were more clinches than punches in the fight.

4/17/04 KO 11 FRES OQUENDO (first heavyweight championship fight between two Hispanics, a painfully boring event. How bad was it? Ruiz had more clinches than landed punches. He clinched 108 times and landed 92 punches.

right it was the invisible punches. cause john is so fast noone saw them right? it should also be noted that this fight set a record for the amount of time spent in a clinch.

[Nautilus]

I wonder who the guy named Rocko is.

I think it is Neils.

Neils is the only other fan of Ruiz I know here. ha-ha

[neils7147933]

I wonder who the guy named Rocko is.

I think it is Neils.

Neils is the only other fan of Ruiz I know here. ha-ha

I thought you made that Rocko fellow up. Now I see who he is.

I placed Ruiz at the top of the heavyweights like I'd put Patricia at the top of the "Most talented Arquette" list; it's more by default than anything else.

I thought Ruiz beat Golota and was ahead of Oquendo and beat Rahman convincingly and those 3 opponents I think are better than the last 3 Vitali faced. That's why I had him at the top of the list (well, it was last 2 opponents when I made the list, but Vitali managed to schedule another punching bag for his first defense).

[Nautilus]

I thought you made that Rocko fellow up. Now I see who he is.

I placed Ruiz at the top of the heavyweights like I'd put Patricia at the top of the "Most talented Arquette" list; it's more by default than anything else.

I thought Ruiz beat Golota and was ahead of Oquendo

I think Golota beat Ruiz's ass solidly. I posted my opinion above using your (?) criteria 1)-5).

[Thunder54]

The only Ruiz fight i ever liked were verus goloata and jones

[nelsoncm]

Ruiz may not be a future hall of famer, but he should be awarded as a boxing innovator. No one else has devised a way to win a match by clinching & hugging. No one will ever execute it the way he does.

I really don't care about a lesson in logic, but all I know is that Ruiz is one of those guys that will continue to innovate boxing.

Who know? his new technique against Toney may be to hug Toney's balls and kiss Toney's knees.

Go Johnny!!! You're just too creative for your division.