Why do people moan about Wlad never having beaten a HOF fighter...

[ChopperRead]

lmfao..................

Sultan Ibragimov was an excellent heavyweight and a champion.

Calvin Brock was an upcoming star and pegged as America's "heavyweight savior" until he was KO'd by Wlad, after which of course that label was changed immediately to "bum."

Ibragimov was a champ, and there is no reason to think that in a Klitschko-less world, Calvin Brock couldn't have taken a major belt as well.

So laugh all you want -- if the K-Bros weren't around, you would be arguing about the Brocks and Ibragimovs and Sam Peters and wondering which of them was the best of the current champions.

[The Hammer]

why are you posting his personal buisness cause he dislikes the klits??sad

It's wasn't "personal business", just his record as a fighter. Something I learned as a child: hateful, jealous criticism always comes from a loser.

It the man who has accomplished little in his own life who will hate the accomplishments of others!

For example, while a talented boxer and world champion like Steve Cunningham recognizes Wladimir's capabilty and achievements, a loser drug addict who took it in the ass in prison like Larry will belittle Wlad.

[ChopperRead]

I wouldn't say Brock was an excellent fighter. Ibragimov was underrated though, and it's a shame he retired when he did. Very quick hands for a heavy and decent skills. Had he hung around he could have made quite a name for himself. But his choice to retire was his own, it wasn't forced upon him (though from what I hear it was most definitely the right choice as far as security of life was concerned).

Fair enough on Brock, but the fact remains he was touted as such in America and highly thought of UNTIL he lost to Wlad, after which he immediately became a "bum."

I thought he was talented, but he got derailed before he really had a chance to develop.

I liked Sultan a lot and he could have continued as a champ for quite some time in a Klitschko-less world.

[nomadman]

Even if you base it on future HOFers most fighters dont beat the version that ends up getting inducted. Mike Tyson is a HOFer, but nobody was thinking about the version who got starched by Lewis when they voted.

That's a reasonable point to make. But then that begs the question what good is it to beat a HOF if they're way past their best? Wlad could beat on Toney and Holyfield, most people would agree they're sure fire HOFers, but so the hell what? I know I would be disgusted if he did so, though it would ensure two future HOF names on his resume. How would you feel about it, if you don't mind my asking?

[nomadman]

Fair enough on Brock, but the fact remains he was touted as such in America and highly thought of UNTIL he lost to Wlad, after which he immediately became a "bum."

I thought he was talented, but he got derailed before he really had a chance to develop.

I liked Sultan a lot and he could have continued as a champ for quite some time in a Klitschko-less world.

Brock wasn't a bum either, but I remember some of the hype surrounding him at the time and remember thinking from watching him fight that he really wasn't all that great. Similar case to Haye only on a far smaller scale.

[IMDAZED]

...when they know full well that a fighter is only eligible for induction five years after retirement?

Tyson only made it into the HOF this year, for goodness sake. Holyfield isn't in it yet due to the fact that he's still active. Since Wlad and his opponents are also active it's impossible for him to beat a HOF fighter unless they come out of retirement, doddering and wheezing, looking for that one last payday. Yeah, some achievement that will be.

As for future hall of famers, I can't predict the future and neither, last I checked, could anyone else on this planet. However, based on some of their previous inductees, I suspect Chris Byrd will get in due to his achievements and wins over Holyfield, Vitali and Tua. Not first ballot, but I think it'll happen. Adamek and a few others might be up for consideration depending on what they do from now until their retirement day, and if he sticks around after the Vitali fight he's a viable opponent. But like I said, I can't predict the future and neither can you.

Maybe in twenty years time we'll look back and see that Wlad didn't, in fact, beat any hall of famers, in which case the above criticism would be perfctly legit. Until then however it's a totally unfair and ridiculous thing to ask of him.

I doubt very much that Chris Byrd gets in but stranger things have happened. Still, Wlad is a HOF'er in his own right.

[ChopperRead]

That's a reasonable point to make. But then that begs the question what good is it to beat a HOF if they're way past their best? Wlad could beat on Toney and Holyfield, most people would agree they're sure fire HOFers, but so the hell what? I know I would be disgusted if he did so, though it would ensure two future HOF names on his resume. How would you feel about it, if you don't mind my asking?

If Wlad did that, it wouldn't be much worse than Tyson beating a semi-retired Larry Holmes, who only took the fight because Don King offered him a suitcase full of cash, and blown-up light-heavyweight Michael Spinks, his two big HOF victories.

I don't think he should do it, but listening to the haters' arguments, maybe I should rethink that.

[Boxingtech718v2]

How many alts are these Klitlickers going to create?

[ChopperRead]

Brock wasn't a bum either, but I remember some of the hype surrounding him at the time and remember thinking from watching him fight that he really wasn't all that great. Similar case to Haye only on a far smaller scale.

Except that Brock had some class!

I am amused at the way some Klitschko victims have gone from "savior/future of the HW division" to "bum" in record time after being beaten by a K-Bro (Brock, Sam Peter, for two).

[IMDAZED]

Except that Brock had some class!

I am amused at the way some Klitschko victims have gone from "savior/future of the HW division" to "bum" in record time after being beaten by a K-Bro (Brock, Sam Peter, for two).

I doubt very much that more than three people in this world viewed Calvin Brock as the savior of the HW division. Calvin and his parents.