Bute's Lackluster Opponents vs Andre Ward's Rough Schedule

[BoxingGenius27]

I knew all of that, so what, was Bute supposed to fight Bika (the loser) again? GTFO with that. I'm sure you'd have cried over that, too.

A catchweight is a catchweight when it benefits both fighters, not just one. Cloud's catchweight offer was almost as bad as Pac's to Marquez.

I guess Humberto Soto lost to Lorenzo also right? lol

That's funny.

[turbotime]

Man, Bute can do no wrong and has done no wrong in your book.

This isn't even worth debating anymore.

If you think Mendy, Johnson, and McGee are worthy competitors as oppose to what he could've faced, so be it.

And in your book everything is Bute's fault right?

Johnson was a good filler bout when the Cloud fight fell through. Catchweights are ****in' weak anyways dude. They have divisions (and enough of them at that) for a reason you know.

[BoxingGenius27]

And in your book everything is Bute's fault right?

Johnson was a good filler bout when the Cloud fight fell through. Catchweights are ****in' weak anyways dude. They have divisions (and enough of them at that) for a reason you know.

Johnson was not a good filler. I yelled foul when that fight was made. I knew what the outcome was going to be, as did everyone else, when that fight was made.

Bute's the one trying to prove himself. Yes, if he wants to be considered an elite fighter, he must make the proper sacrifices like everyone else.

If he felt he couldn't get the right fights at 168, then he should've went to 175, not continue to fight sub par competition until the SS was finished and expect to fight the winner. Everyone knows that's a shortcut way to the top except you and a few others running around boxingscene.

Oh wait, he tried to fight better competition, but x,y, and z happened, so let's forget about the facts, but look at what he tried to do instead.

[turbotime]

Johnson was not a good filler. I yelled foul when that fight was made. I knew what the outcome was going to be, as did everyone else, when that fight was made.

Bute's the one trying to prove himself. Yes, if he wants to be considered an elite fighter, he must make the proper sacrifices like everyone else.

If he felt he couldn't get the right fights at 168, then he should've went to 175, not continue to fight sub par competition until the SS was finished and expect to fight the winner. Everyone knows that's a shortcut way to the top except you and a few others running around boxingscene.

Oh wait, he tried to fight better competition, but x,y, and z happened, so let's forget about the facts, but look at what he tried to do instead.

Meh, I know more than a few people on the inside who were picking Johnson to win, based on the problems he caused Froch (I had Froch winning 7 rounds to 5 btw) so I really had no problem with that fight.

Now Bute is going to fight Froch twice, that's pretty decent now that the tournament is over. How is that a short cut way to the top? You know he wasn't invited into the tourney, right?

[BoxingGenius27]

Meh, I know more than a few people on the inside who were picking Johnson to win, based on the problems he caused Froch (I had Froch winning 7 rounds to 5 btw) so I really had no problem with that fight.

Now Bute is going to fight Froch twice, that's pretty decent now that the tournament is over. How is that a short cut way to the top? You know he wasn't invited into the tourney, right?

You keep mentioning Bute wasn't invited into the tourny. But why should it matter; according to you, the tourny was weak anyway. Since the tourny was weak, Bute should've been fighting all the solid opposition outside of the tourny, correct?

Secondly, Johnson would've had to kill Bute in order to win. Based on Johnson's previous fights before the SS, and after it, everyone knew Johnson didn't have what it took to win in Cananda. Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again. I don't like fighters fighting good opposition after losing a fight. I think they should fight a few gimme's then fight the better opposition.

I think this applies to Froch as well. Even though Froch beat AA when Froch was coming off a loss to Kessler, but AA was coming off a loss to Dirrel as well in a fight where he was clearly beaten before the foul.

That said, if Froch has a chance to fight lower skilled opposition and get his confidence back before he fights Bute, I think Froch vs Bute is a 50/50 fight. But if he fights Bute as planned, after losing to Ward, I have Bute winning.

[BattleAxePurist]

Johnson was not a good filler. I yelled foul when that fight was made. I knew what the outcome was going to be, as did everyone else, when that fight was made.Bute's the one trying to prove himself. Yes, if he wants to be considered an elite fighter, he must make the proper sacrifices like everyone else.

If he felt he couldn't get the right fights at 168, then he should've went to 175, not continue to fight sub par competition until the SS was finished and expect to fight the winner. Everyone knows that's a shortcut way to the top except you and a few others running around boxingscene.

Oh wait, he tried to fight better competition, but x,y, and z happened, so let's forget about the facts, but look at what he tried to do instead.

Same could be said about Froch-Ward look at the poll taking but it was necessary for closure but not anywhere close to a even fight
Considering Froch had gone nip@tuck with Johnson and there wasn't any real possibilities at SMW he still was better than half the fighters Ward fought in S6

Wards rough schedule included Green and AA mixed inbetween not really not worthy opposition

[Konstantin]

You keep mentioning Bute wasn't invited into the tourny. But why should it matter; according to you, the tourny was weak anyway. Since the tourny was weak, Bute should've been fighting all the solid opposition outside of the tourny, correct?

Secondly, Johnson would've had to kill Bute in order to win. Based on Johnson's previous fights before the SS, and after it, everyone knew Johnson didn't have what it took to win in Cananda. Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again. I don't like fighters fighting good opposition after losing a fight. I think they should fight a few gimme's then fight the better opposition.

I think this applies to Froch as well. Even though Froch beat AA when Froch was coming off a loss to Kessler, but AA was coming off a loss to Dirrel as well in a fight where he was clearly beaten before the foul.

That said, if Froch has a chance to fight lower skilled opposition and get his confidence back before he fights Bute, I think Froch vs Bute is a 50/50 fight. But if he fights Bute as planned, after losing to Ward, I have Bute winning.

Like who?..

[BoxingGenius27]

Same could be said about Froch-Ward look at the poll taking but it was necessary for closure but not anywhere close to a even fight
Considering Froch had gone nip@tuck with Johnson and there wasn't any real possibilities at SMW he still was better than half the fighters Ward fought in S6

Wards rough schedule included Green and AA mixed inbetween not really not worthy opposition

By the time Ward fought AA, AA was already exposed. Yes, I've admitted this multiple times.

But Green was a solid opponent at the time. Do you even know where Green was at in his career when the fight took place? His only loss was to Miranda in a fight where he was fighting with some major disease. Green then went on to KO De Leon and UD Simms before entering the tourny. That's solid in my book.

Yes, Ward was the favorite against Froch, but that's because Ward made all his victories in the tourny look easy. But Ward shouldn't be penalyzed for that especially when Froch was one of the original contestants in SS in the first place.

[Dedication]

Like who?..

Bute had offers from Cloud, Pascal and Hopkins.

[BoxingGenius27]

Like who?..

Review this thread and you'll find your answer.

But in the same breath, ask Turbo. He thinks the SS was weak anyway, so that means the competition should've been else where right?