Bute's Lackluster Opponents vs Andre Ward's Rough Schedule

[gauze]

i had to stop reading this thread when it was mentioned that allen green is better than anyone bute has fought. would that include the edison miranda that bute ko'd early? i'm pretty sure that's the same edison miranda that allen green lost to...

sorry if anyone mentioned it previously. i usually read threads all the way through before responding but there is some ass-clownery in here.

you know who else bute fought thats better than allen green? yup...glen johnson. i dunno, maybe it was some other glen johnson that recently knocked allen green out.

i would pick bika over allen green if they ever fought. allen green is straight crap. donny the garbage man mccrary had him on gay street. he was hurt so bad hahaha. and greg leon is a tool.

now let's never discuss allen green again.

[BoxingGenius27]

i had to stop reading this thread when it was mentioned that allen green is better than anyone bute has fought. would that include the edison miranda that bute ko'd early? i'm pretty sure that's the same edison miranda that allen green lost to...

sorry if anyone mentioned it previously. i usually read threads all the way through before responding but there is some ass-clownery in here.

you know who else bute fought thats better than allen green? yup...glen johnson. i dunno, maybe it was some other glen johnson that recently knocked allen green out.

i would pick bika over allen green if they ever fought. allen green is straight crap. donny the garbage man mccrary had him on gay street. he was hurt so bad hahaha. and greg leon is a tool.

now let's never discuss allen green again.

I think this thread was created before the Bute vs Johnson took place.

[Mikhnienko]

That is not a bad resume and keep in mind that he tried to get Steiglitz, Pavlik, Kessler all to no avail.

Johnson (far easier than Froch)
Bika (far easier than Ward)
Berrio
Miranda (far easier than Ward)
Zuniga (went on to go the distance vs Cloud while Bute KO him)
Andrade
Mcgee

[BoxingGenius27]

That is not a bad resume and keep in mind that he tried to get Steiglitz, Pavlik, Kessler all to no avail.

Johnson (far easier than Froch)
Bika (far easier than Ward)
Berrio
Miranda (far easier than Ward)
Zuniga (went on to go the distance vs Cloud while Bute KO him)
Andrade
Mcgee

Does McBride get credit for stopping Tyson?

The thing with Bute is everyone you mentioned above, were already destroyed or beaten before Bute got a hold of them.

Timing is everything and I think Bute's wins over the above fighters all came at the right time.

[turbotime]

That is not a bad resume and keep in mind that he tried to get Steiglitz, Pavlik, Kessler all to no avail.

Johnson (far easier than Froch)
Bika (far easier than Ward)
Berrio
Miranda (far easier than Ward)
Zuniga (went on to go the distance vs Cloud while Bute KO him)
Andrade
Mcgee

Exactly. If Bute sucks so bad why did Kessler and Pavlik turn him down? Should be easy money and a title belt right?

[BoxingGenius27]

Exactly. If Bute sucks so bad why did Kessler and Pavlik turn him down? Should be easy money and a title belt right?

Here's the problem.

No one's saying Bute sucks as a fighter. I think he's pretty good from what I've seen.

But it's his competition that sucks, not him as a fighter.

Anyone with a right mind knows that Bute would be very hard to beat in Canada. This isn't the debate. He needs to stop fighting guys after they lose and fight some real prospects. That's the problem.

I don't want to hear "Bute tried this and tried that". He needs to make it happen.

[Allucard]

I am openminded enought to admit that I am wrong if you can make a legitimate argument. My argument is based on the following. Bute refused to enter the Super 6. Bute hasn't fought or beaten anyone the tournament sponsors considered to be among the top 168-pounders.

Bute could have easily set up a fight with Allen Green, Andre Dirrell or Arthur Abraham, all of whom were out of the tournament instead of the no-hoper he just beat, but he chose not to. For that matter, he could have set up a fight with the 60-year Bernard Hopkins. There was talk of him fighting Kessler, but I think that fight has fallen by the wayside also. When you choose to fight stiffs, instead of quality contenders who are available, that tells fans something about the fighter or what his handlers think of the fighter.

That is very true... And consider the years he's losing with no real evolution because you don't learn much from beating competition like that. When he finally step it up he'll look like he doesn't belong in the ring with a quality opponent.

[turbotime]

Here's the problem.

No one's saying Bute sucks as a fighter. I think he's pretty good from what I've seen.

But it's his competition that sucks, not him as a fighter.

Anyone with a right mind knows that Bute would be very hard to beat in Canada. This isn't the debate. He needs to stop fighting guys after they lose and fight some real prospects. That's the problem.

I don't want to hear "Bute tried this and tried that". He needs to make it happen.

He's been quoted a ton of times saying he'd love to travel and have fights in the US.

[Mikhnienko]

Does McBride get credit for stopping Tyson?

The thing with Bute is everyone you mentioned above, were already destroyed or beaten before Bute got a hold of them.

Timing is everything and I think Bute's wins over the above fighters all came at the right time.

regarding Bute's
Bika just came off a close loss to Calzaghe and Bute himself was quite green
Berrio was IBF Champion and just stopped Steiglitz
Johnson had just lost a close fight to Froch

watch how that same rational can be used to discredit some of their wins..

Ward's comp
kessler - near blind in one eye with double vision
aa - already exposed with Dirrell and Froch doing a better job
Green is a never was
Bika was a close fight in spite of the absurd scorecards

Froch
punch drunk Taylor
Dirrell close fight vs inexperienced guy
loses to Kessler who has vision problems
AA who is one dimensional and small at the weight
johnson won a close very hard fight

[BoxingGenius27]

regarding Bute's
Bika just came off a close loss to Calzaghe and Bute himself was quite green
Berrio was IBF Champion and just stopped Steiglitz
Johnson had just lost a close fight to Froch

watch how that same rational can be used to discredit some of their wins..

Ward's comp
kessler - near blind in one eye with double vision
aa - already exposed with Dirrell and Froch doing a better job
Green is a never was
Bika was a close fight in spite of the absurd scorecards

Froch
punch drunk Taylor
Dirrell close fight vs inexperienced guy
loses to Kessler who has vision problems
AA who is one dimensional and small at the weight
johnson won a close very hard fight

True, you can do that with any fighter.

Ward's victory over Kessler is 10x better than Ward's victory over AA. When Ward beat Kessler, the Calzaghe fight was a few years removed and Kessler was back to his old self. Whereas when Ward beat AA, Abraham was already exposed. This is true.

I just don't see those types of victories coming from Bute (i.e Ward over Kessler). If he beats Cloud convincingly (catchweight) "and" not "or", but "and" Pavlik, then maybe I'll change my mind about Bute.

But as of now, in my opinion, his competition stinks.