Honest questions for the Cotto fans.

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  • Pugilistic™
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    #21
    Originally posted by boricuajr23
    Yes, easier said than done but it can be done. The only problem is that Cotto doesnt do it as much in his fights. Mosley kept Margs in the center like you said and clinched quite often. That was enough I guess to prevent margs from doing anything. It will be very interesting though seeing how Cotto comes out in this fight and like you said, what Steward brings to the table.
    I really hope Cotto wins.

    I don't dislike Margarito but Cotto needs a win like this.

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    • b0ndsj0ns20
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      #22
      I think Cotto doesn't like to be pressured, and no one outside of maybe PW applies more pressure than Chetto. I think both are faded and not nearly the fighters they used to be, so it's going to be interesting who has lost more. Cotto always had more boxing skill, but I still don't think he has enough power to keep Cotto from coming foward, and enough speed and footwork to get away from the ropes when Cotto gets there.

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      • boricuajr23
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        #23
        Originally posted by Precision
        I really hope Cotto wins.

        I don't dislike Margarito but Cotto needs a win like this.
        Lol....I've been watching Cotto's fights since amateur back in Puerto Rico and have traveled to 6 of his title fights (including Margarito I) so you know I want redemption. But Margarito's size and style is a tough matchup for Cotto.

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        • -Johannes-
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          #24
          Originally posted by boricuajr23
          I watch the first fight over and over and IMO, if Cotto woulda clinched smartly every single time he had his back on the ropes, he woulda prevented all those inside punches and uppercuts from landing and might have came out with a decision. He just decided to trade and exchange and IMO, it cost him. My opinion though.
          He tried, he's not physically strong enough to clinch every time Margarito wanted to set his pace like Mosley did. Every time they were close Margarito was able to land short punches and those seem to hurt Cotto the most. The only way I see Cotto winning is that he's in the best shape of his career along with a huge ring to outpoint Margarito. Margarito has legendary stamina, he can run a marathon while throwing punches, he's just a bad match up for Cotto.

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          • baya
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            #25
            as far as their legacy - i think they'll always be tied together.

            mexican fans saw their destroyer in margarito and cotto fans saw their warrior equipped w/ too much skill to fall to tony. they both took it to each other with consequence for both men as they progressed in their careers. another awesome chapter in the war in boxing that gets me as excited as when i was a kid and it were my birthday; mex vs. pr.

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            • BostonGuy
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              #26
              I really don't think Marg will beat Cotto this time around. Since their first fight (3 years ago) Margarito has only fought 3 times, 2 of which he was totally outclassed and beaten badly. He's also suffered an eye injury (from the Pacquaio fight) that may or may not have healed completely....

              In contrast, Cotto has seemed to reinvent his style and has breathed new life into his career after the mismatch against Pacquaio. He's managed to stay relativley active and he's more of a boxer now (under the tutelage of Manny Stewart) than the pressure fighter he once was. He still has a great left hook and is a smarter fighter.

              Having said that, I would give Margaritio all the credit in the world if he finds a way to Cotto. It would a very impressive career accomplishment and it would give him some vindication from the plaser wraps incident. It would also breath new life in his career and make him a viable contender again...

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              • borikua
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                #27
                Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502
                What IF.......

                What if Margarito beats Cotto in the rematch? What will you say then, seriously.

                I understand people hate Marg because of the wraps scandal and I understand that but what if in the rematch, Marg brutalizes Cotto once again?

                Will the excuse be he is past it? Will the excuse be that maybe Marg somehow got another pair of loaded gloves in this fight?

                What will Cotto's or Marg's legacy be after this if it happens?

                Just a question.
                No excuse from me. But even if Tony beats him, Cotto legacy will be more impressive than that of a guy that was caught with loaded gloves.

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                • ny123
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502
                  What IF.......

                  What if Margarito beats Cotto in the rematch? What will you say then, seriously.

                  I understand people hate Marg because of the wraps scandal and I understand that but what if in the rematch, Marg brutalizes Cotto once again?

                  Will the excuse be he is past it? Will the excuse be that maybe Marg somehow got another pair of loaded gloves in this fight?

                  What will Cotto's or Marg's legacy be after this if it happens?

                  Just a question.
                  Imo this fight is 50-50 so it wouldn't really surprise me. Margaritos pressure, chin and stamina will always trouble Cotto. I really dont know what the rest of you guys saw from Margs against Pac but I saw those same qualities that made Margs a problem for years. With all that said I think Cotto gets either a split decision or ud in a war that will finish off whats left of both.

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                  • Cuauhtémoc1520
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by BostonGuy
                    I really don't think Marg will beat Cotto this time around. Since their first fight (3 years ago) Margarito has only fought 3 times, 2 of which he was totally outclassed and beaten badly. He's also suffered an eye injury (from the Pacquaio fight) that may or may not have healed completely....

                    In contrast, Cotto has seemed to reinvent his style and has breathed new life into his career after the mismatch against Pacquaio. He's managed to stay relativley active and he's more of a boxer now (under the tutelage of Manny Stewart) than the pressure fighter he once was. He still has a great left hook and is a smarter fighter.

                    Having said that, I would give Margaritio all the credit in the world if he finds a way to Cotto. It would a very impressive career accomplishment and it would give him some vindication from the plaser wraps incident. It would also breath new life in his career and make him a viable contender again...
                    I have to say, I don't see this "re-invention" that Cotto has gone through. Let's take a look at what Cotto is and isn't.

                    He is:

                    A superb boxer
                    A bully
                    Great body puncher
                    Great amateur pedigree
                    A fighter with a great jab

                    He is not:

                    A fighter who fights well going backwards
                    A huge puncher at 15lbs
                    Big for the weight class
                    Good against pressure fighters
                    a Volume puncher


                    I think Cotto fans have fallen in love with Cotto all over again with what he APPEARS to have done against fighters like Ricardo Mayorga and Yuri foreman. One B level boxer with zero power and the other a way past his prime loud mouth who is a brawler at best.

                    Not taking any credit away from Cotto but his last 3 fights have been as un-impressive as Marg's last 2.

                    So let's not crown Manny Steward the greatest trainer in the world for what he has done with Cotto just yet. I see less movement from Cotto, less punch output and worse defense considering the amount of times he was hit vs Mayorga. Prime Cotto KO's that version of Mayorga in under 5 rounds.

                    Marg isn't much better either for the record, I just think what he does requires less athletic ability because Marg still knows how to come forward and **** it out with the best of them at 154lbs.

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                    • JAB5239
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502
                      Well it doesn't excuse him of what he was caught with against Mosley but the main argument of Cotto fans was that it was without a doubt he was cheating vs Cotto. If he loses, doesn't that clear him of those charges at least against Cotto?
                      There are no charger from the first fight, only allegations. Im one who firmly believes he cheated, but without proof.....

                      I don't think Cotto will lose this time around though. He is squarely the better fighter and won't be worn down and stopped this time. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he stops Margarito this time. Interesting fight though as there are going to be psychological factors for both fighters.

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