Arum Proposal Of neutrality with a Certified testing body is Legit

[jrosales13]

Usada is crap because, read again....

From Horvo: You guys really think Tygart (usada) is a neutral tester? Here's his explanation of why they stopped testing 18 days out.


"We chose not to test for blood closer to the fight than we did because there was no need to do so. But, of course, if we had some sort of cause or su****ion that meant that we needed to do more blood tests, let's say, five days, or, four days before a fight, then we certainly would have done it," said Tygart.

"And that's why the right to have that option is such an important aspect to having a good program. It's a deterrent for the fighters," said Tygart. "[We were] totally comfortable only having that blood test 18 days before the fight and not needing one more testing day in between."

That said, Random should be done without any human su****ion and involvement. Just set a date and get the athlete tested at a time the athletes won't know about.

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/06/10/do...ause-hematoma/

So what he's saying is that the test was not given randomly, like from a computer generated list, but from their own personal subjective su****ions.

That at a certain point they determined they had tested the fighters enough. Since both fighters were not tested on the same days or the same number of times, that means he could test one fighter later than the other because of a "su****ion". Do you think that's a neutral position? And by definition that is not random. Random means taking the human element out of the decision making process.

I repeat the question to you now...

Did the fighters know that they were not going to get tested any longer before hand? When exactly did they find out?

[JM1]

I'm very su****ious about this. What exactly is wrong with USADA, and why won't Arum let Manny take their test?

same thing can be said from the opposite side. whats up with usada? why is it the mayweathers want them to do the testing? is there an agenda behind it? im not saying there is, but you see all these are a bunch of su****ions. i just hope that they will reach an agreement and make the fight happen

btw i dont see anything wrong w/ this proposal made by arum

[-Kev-]

In a perfect boxing world, Manny Pacquiao would back up Floyd's clean up "crusade" how you call it, and ask for OST for all of his fights too. What would be better than the sports biggest stars, wanting to clean up the sport? And this would also mean that there would be no problem fighting eachother.


Now if you can sit there and tell me, you're okay with current testing[just to defend Pacquiao], then there's something wrong with you and your views.


Why not take a stand and implement random OST in his fights too? Why not put ego aside and realize what a good idea it is that Floyd came up with, even if it just started with Pacquiao? Pacquiao should have just gone along with it and say you know what, that's a great idea, i'll do that for my fights too. None of this people thinking Pac is juicing would have happened, none of this lawsuit crap would have happened, and most importantly, Mayweather vs Pacquiao would happened, and OST would have taken a faster head start in boxing with both big boxing stars implementing it in their fights. But I understand guys like EGN and the Pac gang don't want any of this if Pac doesn't want any of this.

[puga]

Random blood testing is random blood testing...I don't care what agency does it...So nothing wrong with Arum is doing.

But, I'm still don't get what you're trying to say...How is USADA crap? How are they slacking?

Again if they don't know about the cutoff date before hand...Then how would they know they have a window?

Knowing and not knowing are 2 different things...It would be different if Floyd and/or Mosley actually knew that they were not going to get tested anymore. Because, it would have given them that window to juice up. But, since even you said it's probable that they didn't know they they had a cutoff. Then that means they wouldn't have known they had a window to juice...

Do you get what I'm saying?

lol....i just told you.....UUSDA CLAIMED A TESTING WITH CUT OFF IS USELESS, BUT THeY HAD A CUT OFF...........does that not tell you that even their own principle conflicts with thier excuses?.....

the first thing you posted was " whats wrong with usda testing?...well, there it is......

why would you use an agency thats so full of controversy?......what arum is offering is better....are you for controvery or for better testing?.....

[puga]

I repeat the question to you now...

Did the fighters know that they were not going to get tested any longer before hand? When exactly did they find out?

how do you know they did'nt?......and even if they did not know, does that mean floyd nor shane did not use anyhting in that period when they did'nt test?....

[jrosales13]

lol....i just told you.....UUSDA CLAIMED A TESTING WITH CUT OFF IS USELESS, BUT THeY HAD A CUT OFF...........does that not tell you that even their own principle conflicts with thier excuses?.....

the first thing you posted was " whats wrong with usda testing?...well, there it is......

why would you use an agency thats so full of controversy?......what arum is offering is better....are you for controvery or for better testing?.....

Not really...Because, there's a huge difference between knowing and not knowing...

I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying.

[-Kev-]

LOL, lets not get it twisted...Floyd is not trying to clean up the sport. That was never his agenda....And, that's not what he's working on either.

He saw that Pac was actually threat...And, wasn't so sure that Pac was in the up and up...So he just wants to make sure that Pac is clean and the fight will be fair...Nothing wrong with making sure there's an equal level playing field.

The only reason he's telling other fighters to do it. Is because, he knows that it would look bad if he only asked Pac.

He's not trying to clean up anything. But, he's not doing anything wrong with asking for such test.

Well, it has to start some where right?

Because of Floyd doing this, you have guys like Cotto and Bradley on his side, you got Ward trying to take it even further, you got Pascal, you got Donaire. Guys all over the weight classes are talking about Random blood tests. So although it started with Pacquiao, it has potential to go all across the weight classes if it gets the right back up.

I acknowledged in my previous post, before seeing this post, that Mayweather did start this because of Pacquiao. But also, why does Pacquiao just not go along with it for the good of the sport.

[Spoon23]

I repeat the question to you now...

Did the fighters know that they were not going to get tested any longer before hand? When exactly did they find out?

It's a cloud of doubt from Pac's camp point of view or arum's point of view when Floyd called USADA. And Tygart's method of random is now su****ious when their is a human element of choice to choose if they want more testing. It should be computer generatwed or randomly chosen like when you draw slots.So to ward of su****ion a respectable neutral body is warranted. A testing body not inclined to anybody.

Publicly even if not true, people would think usada is pro Floyd. A neutral body is favorable. Floyd gets his random.

We fans should get the fight we wanted! I want the fight to happen don't you???

[jrosales13]

how do you know they did'nt?......and even if they did not know, does that mean floyd nor shane did not use anyhting in that period when they did'nt test?....

Why would they risk doping if they didn't know that they weren't going to get tested?

[puga]

LOL, lets not get it twisted...Floyd is not trying to clean up the sport. That was never his agenda....And, that's not what he's working on either.

He saw that Pac was actually threat...And, wasn't so sure that Pac was in the up and up...So he just wants to make sure that Pac is clean and the fight will be fair...Nothing wrong with making sure there's an equal level playing field.The only reason he's telling other fighters to do it. Is because, he knows that it would look bad if he only asked Pac.

He's not trying to clean up anything. But, he's not doing anything wrong with asking for such test.

answer this honestly....do youthink all of the fights that did'nt involve OST were not fought in the lvel playing fileid?.....or do you?....