How Does Martinez Matchup In These 10 Big Fights?

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Hes the same size as Oscar De LeHoya almost identical. Floyd was actually stronger than Oscar in that fight as Oscar admitted post fight. Martinez is skillful and thats what makes his chances dwindle. Hed actually try to outbox Mayweather.

His jab is lazy and can be timed. Heck even Kelly Pavlik and Paul Williams started timing that jab. I dont like this match up at all for Martinez, against Mayweather he would the hardest time hes ever had landing clean. That in itself makes it an uphill battle. Martinez is fast for a middleweight but hes not as fast or as quick as Mayweather.

Npw am I saying Martinez wont have his spots? No. He will especially early for the first 4 rounds or so until Floyd starts place those bodyshots and figure him out. But after that I think its target practice.

Good post - will respond with something shortly.

[Walt Liquor]

Hes the same size as Oscar De LeHoya almost identical. Floyd was actually stronger than Oscar in that fight as Oscar admitted post fight. Martinez is skillful and thats what makes his chances dwindle. Hed actually try to outbox Mayweather.

His jab is lazy and can be timed. Heck even Kelly Pavlik and Paul Williams started timing that jab. I dont like this match up at all for Martinez, against Mayweather he would the hardest time hes ever had landing clean. That in itself makes it an uphill battle. Martinez is fast for a middleweight but hes not as fast or as quick as Mayweather.

Npw am I saying Martinez wont have his spots? No. He will especially early for the first 4 rounds or so until Floyd starts place those bodyshots and figure him out. But after that I think its target practice.

this is really bad. sergio is the same size as oscar? you need to stop reading boxrec stats to find out people's sizes.

how lazy was his jab vs dizzy? sergio recently added that to his arsenal. fighters change burner. who has floyd fought with that kind of jab and dont make me laugh and say oscar.

floyd doesn;'t have the pop to break sergio down IMO. he didn't slow down vs pwill and pavlik and floyd's power are miles apart. floyd ain't slowing martinez down with his bodyshots.

[Chopper417]

this is really bad. sergio is the same size as oscar? you need to stop reading boxrec stats to find out people's sizes.

how lazy was his jab vs dizzy? sergio recently added that to his arsenal. fighters change burner. who has floyd fought with that kind of jab and dont make me laugh and say oscar.

floyd doesn;'t have the pop to break sergio down IMO. he didn't slow down vs pwill and pavlik and floyd's power are miles apart. floyd ain't slowing martinez down with his bodyshots.

U think Sergio's jab is better than Oscar's? That's a big stretch dude. Floyd might have a little more trouble with Sergio's coming from a southpaw stance, but to say Sergio's jab is more effective than Oscar's was throughout his career is a stretch.

[Walt Liquor]

The fight would be at full blown JMW.

Hes quicker, faster, more handspeed, fotspeed, reflexes, agility. Oscar wasnt stronger than Floyd Oscar said that post fight that he was surprised that Floyd controlled the cliches and the inside.

Martinez only physical advantage is that he hits harder. And that hes taller.Thats it.

Martinez has the shorter reach and he does not lead with a jab. Martinez like Paul Williams like to give up their height in fights.

who would be bigger at smw, sergio martinez or chad dawson? sergio looked bigger or smaller than dizzy even though they fought at the same weight? please don't skip answering those to questions.

maybe back in the day but sergio is matching floyd in those physical attributes nowadays.

I guess you missed the dizzy fight again. sergio HAS a jab, that he leads with.

[Walt Liquor]

Why is it so far fetched to think the best fighter in the world can beat Martinez easy?

Martinez as good as he is (P4P Number 1 in my eyes) is not a thinking type of fighter. Hes more of a instinctive type of fighter, Against Floyd he would have to think he would have to be careful about throwing wild shots and he would have to pick and chose his punches because there wont be many opportunities.

If you can make a guy as fast as he is and as dynamic as he is start to think and hesitate it does him no favors. Martinez has never fought a fighter faster with his hands, feet and head movement than he is. Hes never fought a guy this hard to hit. All the power in the world can be for nothing if you struggle to land clean and put everything into it.

Martinez is not a strong fighter. In spite of how much he weighs. He can be easily maneuvered inside. Paul Williams showed that and Paul is not strong at all. In the least bit. Floyd can get inside...easily. Because Martinez doesnt lead with a jab he throws it throughout the fight but he does not lead with it. His hands are down awaiting to throw counters. Floyd will have no problem unloading the right hand and avoiding the return fire. And with his hands down backpedaling hes asking for it.

for a million reasons. why bother replying to you when everything you write is from the perspective that floyd is unbeatable/untouchable/the fastest fighter that ever livedbreaks people down with bodyshots/can hit anyone he wants at will/ and can figure out anything ever put in from of him...

even though he's never done anything like that against a fighter as big as sergio or with sergio's ring IQ (which is nurtured by sarmiento's excellent gameplanning), or with sergio's slickness, power, speed, footspeed, movement, angles etc.

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The fight would be at full blown JMW.

Hes quicker, faster, more handspeed, fotspeed, reflexes, agility. Oscar wasnt stronger than Floyd Oscar said that post fight that he was surprised that Floyd controlled the cliches and the inside.

Martinez only physical advantage is that he hits harder. And that hes taller.Thats it.

Martinez has the shorter reach and he does not lead with a jab. Martinez like Paul Williams like to give up their height in fights.

Oscar wasn't a middleweight. His strength isn't the same as Martinez's. Martinez won't want to clinch anyway, he will be moving and having Floyd chase him, which Floyd can do but also give Martinez the upper hand in initiating clinches and controlling them. Martinez has better footspeed at this point, I guarantee that, he can move better at this point, his handspeed is close enough to Floyd's that the difference won't mean much. We're not talking Floyd from 2005 here.

Martinez can use a good jab. He may not do so every fight, but clearly he showed he has one against Dzinziruk. He would have problems getting hit, that much is obvious. Martinez is not hard to hit and Mayweather would find openings. Martinez's tendency to slow down in the middle of the fight could cost him big as well. Floyd's power though is not power that would break Martinez down though, if Pavlik and Paul Williams don't break him down with the way they landed Floyd certainly isn't.

I am in no way saying Floyd is a long shot to win this fight. It's 50-50, or very close IMO. Saying Floyd dominates Martinez is crazy, short of Martinez for some reason being drained at 154 which doesn't seem reasonable.

[Walt Liquor]

U think Sergio's jab is better than Oscar's? That's a big stretch dude. Floyd might have a little more trouble with Sergio's coming from a southpaw stance, but to say Sergio's jab is more effective than Oscar's was throughout his career is a stretch.

not throughout his career, that's not what I said, just compared to the oscar that fought floyd.


sergio's wasn't really a factor in his fights pre-dizzy, but its obviously a new tool in his arsenal.

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this is really bad. sergio is the same size as oscar? you need to stop reading boxrec stats to find out people's sizes.

how lazy was his jab vs dizzy? sergio recently added that to his arsenal. fighters change burner. who has floyd fought with that kind of jab and dont make me laugh and say oscar.

floyd doesn;'t have the pop to break sergio down IMO. he didn't slow down vs pwill and pavlik and floyd's power are miles apart. floyd ain't slowing martinez down with his bodyshots.

Boxrec stats? lol. Walt no really they are about the same size.

Martinez's jab is average and lazy but fast. Just because he was fighting a guy without the skillset to time it doesnt mean it will work vs. Mayweather. I like The Razor but lets face facts hes a one trick pony with poor footwork.

Bodyshots slow down anyone. Martinez will tell you that. One of the biggest myths going riht now is that Floyd has no pop. He does. Ask Shane Mosley, a guy who I said that Floyd would hurt several times and everyone gave me hellf or it. Fight night Floyd hurts him to the head and body throughout the fight.

Mayweather has more than enough pop in his punches not mention the timing and accuracy to place some nasty body shots on Martinez. Just like he does every southpaw he faces. He overkills the body work. Sharmba was stoped to the body. Corley was ripped up to the body. Judahs body got hammered and watch how he goes to the body more than he would against a righty when he fights Ortiz. He attacks southpaws to the body mainly because of the stance its the punch he finds easier to place. Whether the jab to the body or a hook tot he body more so the hook because the jab to the body can make you get caught with a counter hook like Judah landed.

He can slow him down with bodyshots He can slow him down with feints and headmovement and most of all just stepping through the ropes will slow him down. Against Floyd he will have to think like I mentioned before if you make a guy as dynamic as Sergio have to think then you just handicapped that guy. Martinez is at his best when he has the freedom to do what he wants to do against Mayweather that wont be there. Walt Im telling you Sergio is in for a world of trouble against Mayweather.

[Walt Liquor]

Oscar wasn't a middleweight. His strength isn't the same as Martinez's. Martinez won't want to clinch anyway, he will be moving and having Floyd chase him, which Floyd can do but also give Martinez the upper hand in initiating clinches and controlling them. Martinez has better footspeed at this point, I guarantee that, he can move better at this point, his handspeed is close enough to Floyd's that the difference won't mean much. We're not talking Floyd from 2005 here.

Martinez can use a good jab. He may not do so every fight, but clearly he showed he has one against Dzinziruk. He would have problems getting hit, that much is obvious. Martinez is not hard to hit and Mayweather would find openings. Martinez's tendency to slow down in the middle of the fight could cost him big as well. Floyd's power though is not power that would break Martinez down though, if Pavlik and Paul Williams don't break him down with the way they landed Floyd certainly isn't.

I am in no way saying Floyd is a long shot to win this fight. It's 50-50, or very close IMO. Saying Floyd dominates Martinez is crazy, short of Martinez for some reason being drained at 154 which doesn't seem reasonable.

martinez is much more vulnerable to good combos imo and floyd doesn't really have that part f his game anymore.

potshotting him is not going to give you an easy fight...

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who would be bigger at smw, sergio martinez or chad dawson? sergio looked bigger or smaller than dizzy even though they fought at the same weight? please don't skip answering those to questions.

maybe back in the day but sergio is matching floyd in those physical attributes nowadays.

I guess you missed the dizzy fight again. sergio HAS a jab, that he leads with.

I dont see the point on those questions. They would be fighting at 154 Pounds.

A 165 Martinez is not matching a 152 Pound Floyd in ANY of those categories. Not one.


And Walt again. Juts because a fighter throws a jab does not mean that its a good one. You ever seen Shanes Mosleys jab? Yeah its terrible, "Dizzy" is not Mayweather.