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  • #81
    Originally posted by GrandpaBernard View Post
    Iron chinned hero Oscar actually used more jabs towards the end of the fight.

    One oft-repeated myth was that De La Hoya abandoned the jab in the final five rounds. The truth is that while De La Hoya was even more committed to throwing the jab, he achieved far less with it. In the first seven rounds De La Hoya threw 21.4 jabs per rounds and connected at a 22% rate but in rounds eight through 12 he unleashed 29.8 jabs per round but landed just 12.1 percent of them. De La Hoya also didn't opt off gas offensively as he threw 64 punches per round in the last five as compared to 46.6 in the first seven rounds. The statistical bulge was the result of Mayweather's increased accuracy. The gap in marksmanship in the first seven rounds was 14.5% (41.6% for Mayweather, 26.1 for De La Hoya) but in rounds eight thorugh 12 it grew to 29.2 percent (46.4 to 17.2).

    The question is how will Ortiz deal with Floyd's jab?
    great analyses, even after watching it numerous times, it looked oscar wasnt pulling the trigger like he shouldve... also, roach noticed it too...

    but hey, you did the research, so im not gonna question you

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    • #82
      Originally posted by GrandpaBernard View Post
      Oscar is always mentioned as someone who used the jab successfully against Floyd. Why is that out of 40 opponents only Oscar had that kind of success with the jab? It's clear that you need a great jab if you want to challenge Floyd with a jab.
      zab did a great job too, he actually did beautifully until he started his trademark drop-off.

      castillo did a great job with constant workrate & boxing... sucks he didnt get the nod.

      oscar's flurries and activity helped too... although they had nothing on them, the judges apparently favored them.

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      • #83
        If Floyd breaks his legs and can't run.

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        • #84
          From what i have been seeing you have to pause floyd with body shots like a right hook to the body and then a hard left cross.

          Corely caught and hurt Floyd when he was reaching for a right uppercut the body.

          I just get the sense he has corrected some of these issues...

          Floyd is a tuff nut to crack because there are so many things that one has to address...

          I do think it starts with a jab and the right hook to the body to set up the left down the pipe. but when i think about if every power shot that's thrown if from Ortis right side his dominant hand. he has a sdecent right hook an ok left cross.

          I still think he has to stay just outside of Floyds range to make him reach for some shots and hopefully catch him.

          The thing that's hard or what i'm getting the sense is how technically proficient he is. Floyd so man bases covered. i think you really have to come with a complete gameplan to make a stand and win. He's still in his prime or close to it. Ortiz has to really cover allot of contrasts well to make this a fight. make him defend himself inside and make him hesitate (for fractions of a second at least outside.

          feints, jabs, lead right hooks to his body as well as decent amount of pressure. only cracks the surface.

          Floyd usually pressures southpaw fighters and breaks them down to the body.

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          • #85
            Without a consistent, thudding jab it'll be tough. He needs to target Floyd's body and try to slow him down. Considering the layoff, it's possible. And very important, he needs to cut off the ring. Floyd is a master ring general and very rarely gets cornered. Ortiz needs to corner him and do damage. Especially in the early rounds, where Floyd has shown some vulnerabilty.

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            • #86
              non-stop pressure would be the key for ortiz in this fight. but that is impossible if you don't have the proper conditioning to achieve long lasting stamina.

              ortiz needs to employ state of the art conditioning, not old school type. consult george st pierre of montreal or one with similar regimen.

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              • #87
                Originally posted by Dudley View Post
                Yes i think that's true that's been established but there are pieces to the puzzle that have to be figured out. like should he throw in exchanges. Foot work how to work his way in... no jab i feel is a big issue.

                What if ortiz leads in with a right hook straight left hand. he has to bridge the gap so that it's consistent. I'm watching the corley fight now...
                A stiff jab will keep Floyd honest. Ortiz has a decent jab. If he does go in, that jab should serve him well, and despite what people think, Floyd does move straight back especially when being pressured. It's when you give him room and time, he creates an angle.

                Ortiz may not be the best boxer but he does have good technical ability that coupled with youth, he may use foot work to cut the ring off and create his own angles. Ortiz is effective when he gets someone on the ropes and incorporates the uppercut well in his attack.

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                • #88
                  Brawl, brawl, brawl, non-stop pressure and hope he gets lucky with one huge punch.

                  I really hope Ortiz wins, but not likely he does.

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                  • #89
                    Originally posted by pacfan View Post
                    non-stop pressure would be the key for ortiz in this fight. but that is impossible if you don't have the proper conditioning to achieve long lasting stamina.

                    ortiz needs to employ state of the art conditioning, not old school type. consult george st pierre of montreal or one with similar regimen.

                    pressure is key, but smart pressure. non stop pressure doesn't exist. There is always an ebb and flow. watch any match and you'll see it.

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                    • #90
                      Originally posted by JBell11 View Post
                      A stiff jab will keep Floyd honest. Ortiz has a decent jab. If he does go in, that jab should serve him well, and despite what people think, Floyd does move straight back especially when being pressured. It's when you give him room and time, he creates an angle.

                      Ortiz may not be the best boxer but he does have good technical ability that coupled with youth, he may use foot work to cut the ring off and create his own angles. Ortiz is effective when he gets someone on the ropes and incorporates the uppercut well in his attack.
                      Yeah i think your right. But i think he has to loop his right hook to the body sometimes. to open up floyd for the straight left hand. he has to do it on a dry run not allot of pop to see if he can catch 'em. But besides that he has to maintain his defense huge errors in the Berto fight cannot show up in the May fight.

                      I think Ortiz actually has all the tools but he needs to focus and a strategy now. It has to be multi layered because as soon as Floyd adjust there has to be a second one to take it's place. I think Ortiz has to use his raw natural ability but some small definite improvements technically. You can't reinvent Ortiz but you have to add one major piece with a few tweaks so that he maintains and develops them at a high level for the fight.

                      I think floyd is vulnerable early because he presses the pace and instills the rhythm of the fight true. but i think that also pressures fighters to give up their hand early to see what they have. Did it to Shane and it paid off in spades.

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