What do Ortiz have to do to win?

[JBell11]

It comes down to effective pressure..

"Effective"

Mayweather can handle pressure well, but effective pressure with a decent guard may be the "chance" Ortiz gets. Now, Berto is definintely no Floyd, but what Ortiz did was smart, he maintained a decent guard while moving in (in angles) and placing punches from the inside. He might have that chance...

[Dudley]

Simply what Floyd's 41 previous opponents have tried to do. Beat him to the punch if he can.

Ortiz doesn't have the kind of jab that can **** with Floyd.

This is how many jabs even manage to land on Floyd.

Zab 2 a round, and he actually has a decent leftie jab.

Oscar, ATG jab, could only get 3.33 a round.

A textbook fighter like Juan Marquez was down to only 1.75.

Ortiz doesn't even have a great jab. Here's Floyd's favorite counter to establish first against southpaws.

I'm trying to piece it together but what is your assessment? If your Ortiz's coach How would you train/ strategy wise get him ready for the bout?

[Dudley]

It comes down to effective pressure..

"Effective"

Mayweather can handle pressure well, but effective pressure with a decent guard may be the "chance" Ortiz gets. Now, Berto is definintely no Floyd, but what Ortiz did was smart, he maintained a decent guard while moving in (in angles) and placing punches from the inside. He might have that chance...

Yes i think that's true that's been established but there are pieces to the puzzle that have to be figured out. like should he throw in exchanges. Foot work how to work his way in... no jab i feel is a big issue.

What if ortiz leads in with a right hook straight left hand. he has to bridge the gap so that it's consistent. I'm watching the corley fight now...

[♠ĞЯ8ЯH8Я©]

Does he apply constant pressure like with Berto. Or does he pick his spots to be aggressive, on the ropes. What punch does Ortiz have in his arsenal that may cause Mayweather problems? If you had to give a percentage what would be Ortiz chance to win?

Bring some plaster from his hispanic homie Margaresto, spit in floyds face during the fight, nut punch him once or twice. he might have a 2% chance of winning then

[GrandpaBernard]

I'm trying to piece it together but what is your assessment? If your Ortiz's coach How would you train/ strategy wise get him ready for the bout?

The Floyd Patterson or Mike Tyson style. I think a true swarmer could challenge Floyd.

Not these half AZZed boxer-PUNCHERS who just happen to throw a lot of punches most of the time, that people interpret as pressure.

[ts33]

I honestly think Victor needs to sell out and try and stop Floyd in the first few rounds. That's when guys like Mosley and Judah were able to land big shots, and Floyd's been out of the ring for a while so maybe he could catch him early

So far in his career, i've not seen Ortiz demonstrate the sort of pressuring skills that would allow him to win a decision against Floyd. If it goes 12, Ortiz isn't winning

[waxfondler]

IMO, keys to victory:
• combinations
• constant effective pressure
• initiate offense, instead of letting floyd lead
• get judges on his side

perfect example was floyd/oscar... i think we ALL know floyd outclassed oscar at that point in their careers, but with a solid jab, stay busy flurries/combos, oscar was able to get a close SD loss... if oscar continued to throw and press the fight, he definitely couldve taken that fight. oscar faded & abandoned his jab halfway into the bout.

naturally, floyd will sit back and wait for openings... he will pot-shot and frustrate his opponent with his defense... when opponent slows down, floyd hits the gas... thats when floyd imposes his will & confidence on them. pretty formulaic.

if ortiz can keep the punch output high (mixing levels) & moving after his combos, he should be able to establish a good offensive rhythm. by him always initiating offense, it will keep floyd at a constant state of defense... ortiz can steal rounds & put them in the bank... MAIN thing is for ortiz to keep his composure and not lose the mental game in the ring. ortiz has a solid enough chin to be able to take anything floyd throws... floyd has underrated power, but he rarely sits down on his punches.

i think ortiz has the tools, but i dont think he is ready for floyd. good luck to him.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Ortiz doesn't have the kind of jab that can **** with Floyd.

This is how many jabs even manage to land on Floyd.

Zab 2 a round, and he actually has a decent leftie jab.

Oscar, ATG jab, could only get 3.33 a round.

A textbook fighter like Juan Marquez was down to only 1.75.

Ortiz doesn't even have a great jab. Here's Floyd's favorite counter to establish first against southpaws.

You don't need a great jab so long as you use the jab consistently and time it correctly. Zab only threw punches for four rounds. De La Hoya only through it for 5 or so rounds and then would flurry with Mayweather against the ropes. In the latter portion of the fights, both stopped throwing jabs.

The jab doesn't even have to land, to be truthful. It's about forcing Mayweather to reset with his punches.

Once that takes place, you have a chance to follow the blinding shot with a harder shot. That goes for anyone who throws a jab. Which is why the most successful combination in boxing is a 1-2.

[GrandpaBernard]

You don't need a great jab so long as you use the jab consistently and time it correctly. Zab only threw punches for four rounds. De La Hoya only through it for 5 or so rounds and then would flurry with Mayweather against the ropes. In the latter portion of the fights, both stopped throwing jabs.

The jab doesn't even have to land, to be truthful. It's about forcing Mayweather to reset with his punches.

Once that takes place, you have a chance to follow the blinding shot with a harder shot. That goes for anyone who throws a jab. Which is why the most successful combination in boxing is a 1-2.

Iron chinned hero Oscar actually used more jabs towards the end of the fight.

One oft-repeated myth was that De La Hoya abandoned the jab in the final five rounds. The truth is that while De La Hoya was even more committed to throwing the jab, he achieved far less with it. In the first seven rounds De La Hoya threw 21.4 jabs per rounds and connected at a 22% rate but in rounds eight through 12 he unleashed 29.8 jabs per round but landed just 12.1 percent of them. De La Hoya also didn't opt off gas offensively as he threw 64 punches per round in the last five as compared to 46.6 in the first seven rounds. The statistical bulge was the result of Mayweather's increased accuracy. The gap in marksmanship in the first seven rounds was 14.5% (41.6% for Mayweather, 26.1 for De La Hoya) but in rounds eight thorugh 12 it grew to 29.2 percent (46.4 to 17.2).

The question is how will Ortiz deal with Floyd's jab?

[GrandpaBernard]

Oscar is always mentioned as someone who used the jab successfully against Floyd. Why is that out of 40 opponents only Oscar had that kind of success with the jab? It's clear that you need a great jab if you want to challenge Floyd with a jab.