What do Ortiz have to do to win?

[Big Op]

Why? So it can look like the rematch? Why would you study someone Mayweather has already made adjustments to?

a fighter has habits that they can't seem to get rid of is all i'm saying.like taking a boxer to a certain point in which they get frustrated and careless.same goes for mayweather in studying the maidana ortiz fight.

[Chopper417]

To win this fight Ortiz has to turn it into a street fight, and absolute brawl. Now I don't know how on earth you go about doing that with Floyd Mayweather's skill and intelligence, but that's the only way he wins outside of just landing a random bomb.

[GrandpaBernard]

Get knocked out by Floyd because Ortiz will be able to do a win in his sleep as he dreams.

[Hamaru]

I think it would be best to let Floyd come to you. I am yet to see someone put pressure on him and have it end well. Oscar tried it and missed more punches than he ever did before (percent wise).

[GrandpaBernard]

effective pressure leads to a close fight with floyd. Castillo, first 4 rounds with judah, de la hoya and hatton while it lasted where close fight due to giving floyd pressure throughout the fight. Floyd is 34 Years old and hasn't been in a round for a year and it going to be about a year and a half when he does step in it. He doesn't have legs HE USED TO, where he moved constantly. He is a stationary target most of the time now. If Ortiz can pressure constantly and keep Floyd smothered with his bigger body, then he can win this fight. If he just sits there and tries to pick his spot he is going to get potshotted to death like Mosley.

Except Zab wasn't applying pressure like you want to believe he did.

Keep the fight on the inside and his great combinations flowing...

Because of Floyd's relaxed posture, defense, and sharpshooting on the inside, people tend to overlook the fact that his opponents do better on the inside and actually win rounds.

Jesus Chavez, Augustus, and JL Castillo employed this strategy and it worked for them, Ortiz is a southpaw (better offensive angles for the shoulder roll) with solid speed, power, and explosiveness in his combinations. Ortiz on the inside letting go 2s, 3s, 4s, and 5s is a problem, he's going to get through, especially if he's mixing in body shots in the combos.

Floyd went out of character to employ hitting and holding to prevent Hatton from fighting on the inside because he didn't want to go through the inside fighting hassle again (hasn't really taken part in it since Castillo I, unless it's against a Brusselles level opponent). But unlike Ricky, Victor is taller, bigger, and possibly stronger than Mayweather, so he might be able to work his way out of any clinches if Mayweather wants to go that route.

If the fight is fought mostly on the outside or at mid range, Ortiz gets picked apart, but if Ortiz is able to keep the fight on the inside, we'll be seeing one of the best high-profile fights we've ever seen live and a possible upset.

Being a southpaw means very little in phone booth fighting. The shoulders are squared up, so the awkward angles of a southpaw are gone.

It's no coincidence that Floyd kept inviting Corley into the pocket in their fight.

Ortiz should not jab, it will be up against Floyd's jab and will get countered or blocked, the right hook counter from the southpaw stance is the punch he needs.

And when Floyd drops that left throw the overhand right.

His footwork is key never let Floyd get set, but this is a high energy tactic so Ortiz will have to be in top condition.

Southpaws don't throw overhand rights.

I think it would be best to let Floyd come to you. I am yet to see someone put pressure on him and have it end well. Oscar tried it and missed more punches than he ever did before (percent wise).

Floyd has shown the ability to effectively apply pressure and land some vicious bodyshots while he's at it. Corley and Zab got ****d with bodyshots. Mosley was punked by Floyd. THe difference is Ortiz doesn't have the slick mentality like Corley and Zab or Mosley's iron chin, so he would get stopped. Kid also appears to be a front runner, them bodyshots kill his stamina in the quickness.

[tomhawq]

I think it would be best to let Floyd come to you. I am yet to see someone put pressure on him and have it end well. Oscar tried it and missed more punches than he ever did before (percent wise).

yes. ortiz needs to tell himself that he's not letting floyd use him for floyd's exhibition antics. let him come forward and when booing starts floyd would come forward. he's getting sensitive nowadays. he's bragging about how he stood there in front of mosley. riight. still not enough to impress the audience who wants ko's.

[BALLISTIC]

catch floyd like shane did but finish him off..
otherwise boring UD for floyd...ortiz can take a punch
and berto hits harder than floyd..

if ortiz wins..this is another douglas/tyson forreals

[Check_hooks]

Floyd has a deformed rib on his left side. Ortiz needs to establish a 1-2 upstairs for the first few rounds and then jump in and feint a jab and throw a straight or hook to the deformed rib.

If floyd gets up after that he will be running every round. Ortiz needs to cut off the ring and throw combinations.

Floyd is actually very easy to beat but he cherry picks fighters that don't have the style to beat him. Cotto and Margarito knock him out. Khan,Bradley and maybe even Malinaggi out point him. Pacquiao would permanently destroy him like he did to Margarito, Gay la hoya and Hatton.

[Heru]

We can't forget that Floyd had a bum rotator cuff that fight with Castillo.

I have a question do you agree the best way to work inside any fighter is to jab your way in. Floyd has been susceptible to guys with a GOOD JAB. Because it breaks up rhythm and cut's distance to get object A closer to object B. If He can Jab he way in explode and get out unscathed then Ortiz has something that Floyd has to adjust too. This could lead to more openings or pressuring Floyd to do something out of character.

But i think banking on a fight that took place back in 2002 on a bad night is high hopes. Ortiz has to be consistent. I think his jab might be the ticket.

Thoughts?

Whether he had a bum rotator cuff or not, the most notable difference between the first fight and the second was how Floyd fought the fight. In the first fight, he chose to stay in the pocket and fight Castillo on the inside; in the second, he used his legs to stay on the outside.

A good jab is the best way to close distance, but it's not a requisite to get there, just a good tool... Ortiz doesn't really have a good jab, it hurt him against Lamont Peterson, but Ortiz can still find his way to the inside, he's just going to have to take his lumps to get there.

Regardless of when it happened, it's better to try to bank on possible openings that haven't been exploited since 2002 and might still be there, then to try to develop a good jab in just a few months after being 200+ fights, 1000+ rounds, and double digit years in.

Being a southpaw means very little in phone booth fighting. The shoulders are squared up, so the awkward angles of a southpaw are gone.

It's no coincidence that Floyd kept inviting Corley into the pocket in their fight.

Even if the southpaw squares his shoulders up, we're talking about right hooks and left crosses as primary offensive weapons, instead of left hooks and right crosses.

Against the shoulder roll, the right hook still comes from the blind side and lands on the non-protected side to the body and the left cross still works as an orthodox power jab, which is the opposite from orthodox offense on the inside.

Can the coincidence you're referring to be interpreted more as Floyd wanting to counter punch Corley before Corley gets to the inside instead of actually wanting to work on the inside?

[Hamaru]

yes. ortiz needs to tell himself that he's not letting floyd use him for floyd's exhibition antics. let him come forward and when booing starts floyd would come forward. he's getting sensitive nowadays. he's bragging about how he stood there in front of mosley. riight. still not enough to impress the audience who wants ko's.

That would be the ideal situation.

Floyd has shown the ability to effectively apply pressure and land some vicious bodyshots while he's at it. Corley and Zab got ****d with bodyshots. Mosley was punked by Floyd. THe difference is Ortiz doesn't have the slick mentality like Corley and Zab or Mosley's iron chin, so he would get stopped. Kid also appears to be a front runner, them bodyshots kill his stamina in the quickness.

Floyd is good at attacking and defending; however, he is best at defending. If Victor works on dodging and moving in during camp, it would be his best chance of victory. Let Floyd come in, try and move in and let your hands go.