Is Ortiz being over-rated due to his win over Berto?

[jrosales13]

Umm....

Umm...Yes.

[Beater_of_ass]

If Pac was a LWW, than the JMM fight would be at LWW.

Matter of fact that makes it a lot worse. That a LWW would make a LW go to WW to fight just to have an unfair advantage.

Good stuff.

Last I checked Manny has been fighting at WW for 3 years... ****ing dumbass. Just because he doesn't weigh 160 doesn't mean he is a Jr. WW, I guess Floyd should be a Jr. WW because he weighs in at or about 3 pounds more than Manny on fight night.

[Dave Rado]

So how does, what past greats did, determine whether this is a legit fight or not?

It's a legit fight. But only if he fights Pac afterwards. And the reason that what the past greats did is relevant is that Floyd and his fans want him to be considered to be one of the greats. In terms of skills, he is up there. In terms of attitude and resume, he's got to fight Pac to be up there. He'll get in the HoF even if he doesn't fight Pac, but to be compared with the top 10 or even top 20 greats, he has to fight Pac, and the Ortiz fight is only legitimate in that context provided the Pac fight comes next.

[jrosales13]

Last I checked Manny has been fighting at WW for 3 years... ****ing dumbass. Just because he doesn't weigh 160 doesn't mean he is a Jr. WW, I guess Floyd should be a Jr. WW because he weighs in at or about 3 pounds more than Manny on fight night.

Oh the irony

Why don't you read first, dumbass.

[Bushbaby]

I would never believe Ortiz is going to beat Floyd.But I'm pulling for the upset.But with that when 1 talks about deserving a fight,I think Ortiz deserves to fight 1 of those guys.

The fact of the matter was that Berto was left to rack up easy wins in a division ruled by either Floyd or Manny depending on whether Floyd was active or not.Ortiz was cherrypicked by the bigger,3rd rank welterweight & walked through fire to prove himself a champion.

I don't remember the last time Floyd or Manny fought a young,prime fighter coming off a very impressive win.Ortiz deserves it,he's ranked #2 & he'll come to fight.This fight bosses on Pacman's body of work in the last year again.

[tangalog2200]

I like Ortiz and if he brings the same ferocity against Floyd that he brought against Berto, then it will force Floyd to fight and give Floyd some problems.

Lets look at the facts though. Ortiz although he had problems at times, still put on a great display of heart and put it all on the line against Berto. When you look at Berto though, who has he really beaten? Many feel he lost to Collazo. Aside from that contraversial win, the biggest wins on his resume were against Quintana and Urango. Decent fighters, but not great or really good for that matter. Ortiz/Berto was still a great fight and great win for Ortiz, but the truth is, Ortiz didnt beat anyone who has proven much thus far.

Prior to his win over Berto, Ortiz took a tremendous amount of heat from the boxing world for literally quitting against the slow and not so very skilled, but hard hitting Maidana. He was basically written off and whatever fan base he had lost respect for him. The fight with Berto was a fight to redeem himself and silence those who questioned his heart, and that he did.

Now he is scheduled to fight Floyd and many are accepting this as a legitimate threat to Floyd. It is really? Now I said it once and i'll say it again, if he brings the same fight game he did for Berto, he will cause some problems for Floyd. If he's off just an inch though, Floyd will pick him apart with his stick and move style. Had this fight been mentioned prior to Ortiz beating Berto, they would have criticized Floyd into oblivion. So are you to say that 1 win over a good but unproven fighter automatically makes Ortiz a legitimate opponent for Floyd? I personally think that many fans are just desperate to see Floyd back in the ring so bad that they would have accepted and defended any opponent he chose. They would use the excuse that it's just a tune-up. Problem with that is, Floyd intentionally retires. Why should we keep excepting tune-ups from him if he purposely takes himself out of the fight game?

All in all with the current state of boxing and lack of quality matchups, I will still tune in and hope it turns out to be a good scrap worth the ppv money. Lets just hope Floyd doesnt treat this as an opportunity to (as he put it) "come back to steal some more money" then ride back off into the retirement sunset.

simple....they have to rate vic up to justify and hype the pbf/vic fight..however, i agree with you that pbf will most likely return to dreamland after the vic fight

[jrosales13]

It's a legit fight. But only if he fights Pac afterwards.

It takes 2 to tango.

[Beater_of_ass]

Umm...Yes.

I'm glad you agree.

[Deevel916]

So how does what past greats did, determine whether this is a legit fight or not?

It doesnt. It just doesnt compare to the likes of the type of opponent SRL took on after after a 3yr retirment when he came back to take on Hagler without any talk of tune-ups or what not.

[$tate of Mind]

Well in his 1 WW appearance Vic rose to the challenge. It remains to be seen how good he will be.