Is Ortiz being over-rated due to his win over Berto?

[Deevel916]

Stylistically, he has what it takes to beat Floyd. Ortiz is Castillo with punching power. And remember, that was a younger, faster Floyd who (at the smaller weight) also had more power. And lets not forget Roach's observation that Floyd's legs r gone... That hasn't been proven false

We now have a much much more experienced Floyd though.

Look, i'm not bashing the fight. I'm even going to dish out money to watch it. All i'm saying is that I feel Ortiz is being a bit over rated to make him seem like a actual threat to Floyd when in reality, prior to beating the unproven Berto, Ortiz was being written off as a fraud with no heart.

[JoeDaWg]

This is a good fight, the terms "over rated" "washed up" "bum" are thown around far to often on these boards. Not every fighter is gonna be the best in the world, that doesn't make them a bum or over rated either. Vic faced some serious adversity against madaina and he folded. But when he faced some serious adversity against berto he came through. Ever athlete grows as they get more mature and go through ****. Do I expect vic to win or even give floyd a run for his money, no. But this is a damn good fight, it's the only other realistic option besides pac.

The only other guy who u can even make an argument for is bradley, and that would be a wash. Martinez is a wet dream that is never going to happen, until he can find a way NOT to have a 15-30 pound advantage over either floyd or manny, it isn't happening. Floyd hasn't fought in a long ass time, stepping off the street and taking on victor ortiz is solid move. I don't really know what fight he could have realistically made, that would have been better then this one.

It's more legit than Pac-Marg, Pac-Mosley, and Pac-JMM III @ WW.

I'm with u on jmm and mosley, but I liked the cheato fight. I wish they wouldn't have had it for that belt cause I think the whole 8 title thing but a bad flavor on what was a pretty interesting fight. I'm always down for a dude fighting another dude who out weighs him by 17 pounds. I don't care who says what, that was not some cake walk. Too bad manny ***ed him up so bad, I wish we could see him fight another couple of fights against good opposition so we could see just how "shot" he really is.

[Pacquiao'd]

This is a good fight, the terms "over rated" "washed up" "bum" are thown around far to often on these boards. Not every fighter is gonna be the best in the world, that doesn't make them a bum or over rated either. Vic faced some serious adversity against madaina and he folded. But when he faced some serious adversity against berto he came through. Ever athlete grows as they get more mature and go through ****. Do I expect vic to win or even give floyd a run for his money, no. But this is a damn good fight, it's the only other realistic option besides pac.

The only other guy who u can even make an argument for is bradley, and that would be a wash. Martinez is a wet dream that is never going to happen, until he can find a way NOT to have a 15-30 pound advantage over either floyd or manny, it isn't happening. Floyd hasn't fought in a long ass time, stepping off the street and taking on victor ortiz is solid move. I don't really know what fight he could have realistically made, that would have been better then this one.



I'm with u on jmm and mosley, but I liked the cheato fight. I wish they wouldn't have had it for that belt cause I think the whole 8 title thing but a bad flavor on what was a pretty interesting fight. I'm always down for a dude fighting another dude who out weighs him by 17 pounds. I don't care who says what, that was not some cake walk. Too bad manny ***ed him up so bad, I wish we could see him fight another couple of fights against good opposition so we could see just how "shot" he really is.

but nevermind the fact that cheato had no tune up and showed he derserved a shot and pac. typical

[Eaner0919]

but nevermind the fact that cheato had no tune up and showed he derserved a shot and pac. typical

what are you talking about no tune up?

http://boxrec.com/date_search.php?yyyy=2010&mm=05&dd=08

[| THE KING |]

Yep.. just like Mosley was after destroying (a weight-drained) Margarito..

You will see why on fight night.. Floyd will toy with Ortiz.

[V.WEBB]

Given Floyd's skill level, experience, and status within the sport, I will label Ortiz as an "acceptable" opponent. I find it hard to call it a "legit fight" though compared to the level of opposition of past greats who came from retirement to take on a challenge.

It's more legit than Pac-Marg, Pac-Mosley, and Pac-JMM III @ WW.

The thread really could have ended right here.

[Dave Rado]

I like Ortiz and if he brings the same ferocity against Floyd that he brought against Berto, then it will force Floyd to fight and give Floyd some problems.

Lets look at the facts though. Ortiz although he had problems at times, still put on a great display of heart and put it all on the line against Berto. When you look at Berto though, who has he really beaten? Many feel he lost to Collazo. Aside from that contraversial win, the biggest wins on his resume were against Quintana and Urango. Decent fighters, but not great or really good for that matter. Ortiz/Berto was still a great fight and great win for Ortiz, but the truth is, Ortiz didnt beat anyone who has proven much thus far.

Prior to his win over Berto, Ortiz took a tremendous amount of heat from the boxing world for literally quitting against the slow and not so very skilled, but hard hitting Maidana. He was basically written off and whatever fan base he had lost respect for him. The fight with Berto was a fight to redeem himself and silence those who questioned his heart, and that he did.

Now he is scheduled to fight Floyd and many are accepting this as a legitimate threat to Floyd. It is really? Now I said it once and i'll say it again, if he brings the same fight game he did for Berto, he will cause some problems for Floyd. If he's off just an inch though, Floyd will pick him apart with his stick and move style. Had this fight been mentioned prior to Ortiz beating Berto, they would have criticized Floyd into oblivion. So are you to say that 1 win over a good but unproven fighter automatically makes Ortiz a legitimate opponent for Floyd? I personally think that many fans are just desperate to see Floyd back in the ring so bad that they would have accepted and defended any opponent he chose. They would use the excuse that it's just a tune-up. Problem with that is, Floyd intentionally retires. Why should we keep excepting tune-ups from him if he purposely takes himself out of the fight game?

All in all with the current state of boxing and lack of quality matchups, I will still tune in and hope it turns out to be a good scrap worth the ppv money. Lets just hope Floyd doesnt treat this as an opportunity to (as he put it) "come back to steal some more money" then ride back off into the retirement sunset.

Ortiz probably isn't a serious threat to Floyd, and I agree that beating Berto, who was unproven, doesn't make him a great fighter - but Ortiz is still by far the best available opponent for Floyd other than Pacquiao, and is a more legitimate opponent than any of the last three fighters Pacquiao has faced.

I agree with your final paragraph though. After Ortiz, Floyd simply must fight Pacquiao if he wants the respect of any boxing fan who isn't a fanboy.

[Deevel916]

The thread really could have ended right here.

Difference between me and you is that I give Floyd credit where credit is due and call Pac out on B.S when I see it.

You on the other hand will defend Floyd right or wrong. Floyd could **** your mother or sister and you'd blame them for flirting.

[Elotero]

It's more legit than Pac-Marg, Pac-Mosley, and Pac-JMM III @ WW.

.....and Pac-Clottey and Pac-Larios and Pac-Morales 2 and Pac-Morales 3 and Pac-Diaz and Pac-Barrera 2 and Pac-3kBattery and Pac-Cotto @ 145

[Elotero]

what are you talking about no tune up?

http://boxrec.com/date_search.php?yyyy=2010&mm=05&dd=08

Devils advocate here: Amenaza stunk the joint out so bad it could barely be called a fight.