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  • Cereal
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    #161
    Pacquaio starched every person that was put in front of him, which is all a boxer can do.
    Furthermore you seem to completely overlook or undervalue the fact that he has stepped up in weight consistently throughout his career.

    And of course the final, glaring hole in your argument is that Pacquaio has openly stated that he wants to fight Mayweather who, I'm sure you will agree:

    * Is in his prime.
    * Is on top of his game.
    * Is coming off a win.
    * Has a distinct (technical) advantage.

    It is largely Mayweather's reticence which is preventing the fight, not Pacquaio's. So if you are of the opinion (which I have to assume that you are) that Mayweather is p4p #1, Pacquaio's clear willingness to have this fight happen should be enough to stop you from making ludicrous assertions against his bravery or 'masculinity'.
    Last edited by Cereal; 06-08-2011, 05:20 PM.

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    • mathed
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      #162
      Everyone knows why he is fighting Ortiz...Floyd was at the Berto fight laughing at Ortiz's performance, you can see him actually laughing. Yup, that sounds and looks like he chose to fight him because he thought he would be challenged- more like he saw plenty of areas to exploit. Not trying to knock the fight it is probably one of the better ones besides a Pac fight but let's not act like this B.S. they are tossing out to the eager-beaver Floyd fans about Ortiz being a tougher opponent than Pac is anywhere close to reality. Floyd will outclass Ortiz with counters and win a UD....he saw Ortiz get dropped against Berto and quit against Maidana which both happened within his last 5 fights- can't say I have seen that from Pac in his last 5 fights.

      Whatever though...good luck both guys

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      • Cereal
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        #163
        I would also call out your claims that he is 'without a question a manufactured fighter'.

        You act as though Pacquaio didn't become well known by destroying Barrera and crushing Morales over three fights.

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        • JDezi4
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          #164
          People have no idea how good Ortiz's chances r here.... They really don't

          Boy, I wonder what happens if/when Ortiz wins... Ortiz/Pacquiao? Coincidently that is a fight I can't possibly imagine Pacquiao losing. Just goes to show STYLES MAKE FIGHTS, though that will go misunderstood like all the other opponent the 2 share

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            #165
            Originally posted by Cereal
            Pacquaio starched every person that was put in front of him, which is all a boxer can do.
            Furthermore you seem to completely overlook or undervalue the fact that he has stepped up in weight consistently throughout his career.

            And of course the final, glaring hole in your argument is that Pacquaio has openly stated that he wants to fight Mayweather who, I'm sure you will agree:

            * Is in his prime.
            * Is on top of his game.
            * Is coming off a win.
            * Has a distinct (technical) advantage.

            It is largely Mayweather's reticence which is preventing the fight, not Pacquaio's. So if you are of the opinion (which I have to assume that you are) that Mayweather is p4p #1, Pacquaio's clear willingness to have this fight happen should be enough to stop you from making ludicrous assertions against his bravery or 'masculinity'.
            I'm sure I do not agree

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            • Cereal
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              #166
              Originally posted by JDezi4
              I'm sure I do not agree
              He certainly hasn't showed any new weaknesses and has just come off a near perfect shut out of Shane Mosley.

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              • LeadUppercut
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                #167
                Originally posted by Cereal
                Pacquaio starched every person that was put in front of him, which is all a boxer can do.
                Furthermore you seem to completely overlook or undervalue the fact that he has stepped up in weight consistently throughout his career.

                And of course the final, glaring hole in your argument is that Pacquaio has openly stated that he wants to fight Mayweather who, I'm sure you will agree:

                * Is in his prime.
                * Is on top of his game.
                * Is coming off a win.
                * Has a distinct (technical) advantage.

                It is largely Mayweather's reticence which is preventing the fight, not Pacquaio's. So if you are of the opinion (which I have to assume that you are) that Mayweather is p4p #1, Pacquaio's clear willingness to have this fight happen should be enough to stop you from making ludicrous assertions against his bravery or 'masculinity'.
                Forget " openly stated ".....

                If Pac had accepted a 14-day cutoff we would have seen that fight already.

                And no, Mayweather is not P4P #1, because he is currently inactive.

                I cannot work out how Manny is even on the list, let alone #1.

                The last time that Pac fought a live dog was Marquez II, and he LOST !!

                Since then, he has been feeding on old men, faded champions, and bums.

                That is definitely not P4P-worthy.

                P4P is a " joke " title, and should not be taken seriously.

                Bernard Hopkins has a better recent resume, as does Sergio Martinez, Andre Ward, and even Carl Froch. Three of those guys are not even ranked.

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                • LeadUppercut
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                  #168
                  Originally posted by Cereal
                  I would also call out your claims that he is 'without a question a manufactured fighter'.

                  You act as though Pacquaio didn't become well known by destroying Barrera and crushing Morales over three fights.
                  You mean, catching Eric when he was faded and coming off a loss ?

                  I dont know, maybe youd better ask Pac what up with that ?

                  Mention the name Raheem, and Manny will remember

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                  • LeadUppercut
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                    #169
                    Originally posted by Cereal
                    I would also call out your claims that he is 'without a question a manufactured fighter'.

                    You act as though Pacquaio didn't become well known by destroying Barrera and crushing Morales over three fights.
                    You are fkn nuts, nay, clearly a non-boxing fanboy, if you cannot see that Manny's last 7 opponents have been handpicked for their " suitability ".

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                    • LeadUppercut
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                      #170
                      Originally posted by JDezi4
                      People have no idea how good Ortiz's chances r here.... They really don't

                      Boy, I wonder what happens if/when Ortiz wins... Ortiz/Pacquiao? Coincidently that is a fight I can't possibly imagine Pacquiao losing. Just goes to show STYLES MAKE FIGHTS, though that will go misunderstood like all the other opponent the 2 share
                      Go tell jro, he thinks that Ortiz is still the same green kid who fought Maidana.

                      Even though all of the evidence in the world points to the contrary.

                      EVERYONE, including Berto's management team, called that a " great " win.

                      EVERYONE, can see that Ortiz is clearly a natural welter, and is much stronger at 147. Many commentators/scribes/analysts, said that Ortiz looked like a beast at welter.

                      What would you call an explosive puncher with a physique like that who rehydrates to 160+ ?

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