Comments Thread For: Roach: No Robbery, Pacquiao Beat Marquez Twice

[AllEyesOpen]

I had Marquez winning the first fight, and i had him winning the second by 1 point. These were great, close competative fights that could have gone either way though. As long as Marquez comes into the ring at about 144-145 lbs then he will have a solid shot at making it a solid conclusion.

[waxfondler]

i thought they were close... a lot of people thought jmm shoudve got the nod on the 2nd one... i thought a draw or a victory for jmm was appropriate.

i remember watching the fight saying.... "daaaaamn, manny got lucky on that one." LOL

but it was soooo close, that i wasnt too upset... at that time, i was favoring jmm.... but i wouldnt scream robbery.

sadly, pac/jmm III doesnt have the same intrigue... pac is too big & fast for jmm at this point... jmm can STILL time & counter him, but what effect would it have on pac??? pac tasted bigger punches... before, those counters stunned pac... but i just dont see them bothering him now.

at this point in both fighters' careers, it seems jmm is the only one STILL hungry... pac just seems to be on his way out, its as if he acknowledges that he doesnt NEED to challenge himself anymore... shame.

jmm's heart is unbelievable...

[kidrak]

to me JMM is the true warrior..way greater than pac..he stayed in his natural division and fought people with equal strength and speed..while pac was listening to arum and made easy cash by fighting over the hill fighters at a weight which only suited him..piss weak mate.

yeah right..while manny was fighting bigger than him!

[loomis]

@nacho bernistein should have called the feds in both fights, marquey was truely robbed.

[JoeDaWg]

You still can't call it a robbery though. I think fans get confused between robberies and bad decisions or close decisions. I thought the second fight was a very close fight but I also had JMM winning.

A robbery was Sturm v DLH, Trinidad v DLH, Whitaker v Chavez......those were robberies. This one was just a close fight that could have gone either way.

I agree

to me JMM is the true warrior..way greater than pac..he stayed in his natural division and fought people with equal strength and speed..while pac was listening to arum and made easy cash by fighting over the hill fighters at a weight which only suited him..piss weak mate.

That's ******ed. Pac moved UP in weight, made truck loads of money, solidified his ATG status, seared his name in the record books, all while becoming the global face of boxing. Those sour g****s seem to be giving ur brain food poisoning bro. Pac beat jmm at least once, and chose to move on after the second fight. Judging by the results, you'd have to be a drooling buffoon to say he made the wrong decision. He simply had bigger fish to fry, no reason to stick around fighting for pride when u can fight for it all.

[boxingfan76]

Since we are just a Manny Pacquiao signature away from his third fight with Juan Manuel Marquez, it's a good time to quickly look back at the first two. In the first one in May 2004, Marquez got up from three first-round knockdowns to earn a draw, Marquez thus retaining his two featherweight belts. They fought again in March 2008 and Pacquiao won a split decision and took Marquez's super featherweight title.

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the first fight shouldve gone to manroid midget not because he won the majority of it , he did not, only because the 3 knockdows in the 1st added up to too many points, jmm comfortably beat his as s aafter the 1st round for the remainder of the fight. that said marquez out landed the midget by 10 pounches, the second fight shouldve gone to marquez the momentum after the knockdown never was going toward manroid, jmm outlanded pac by 30 punches in the second fight and won way to many rounds to lose, including the championship rounds,jmm was definitley jobbed in the 2nd fight.n the look on pacs face says it all at the time of the decision not even he expected to win that fight.

[IronDanHamza]

I scored the first fight a draw and the 2nd fight I felt Marquez won.

But the fact is it could have gone either way and there is a case for both fighters in each fight.

That's all there is too it.

[Twako]

That's an understatement.

- Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.
- Graham Houston, FightWriter.com also picked Marquez

that's a cherrypicked list. and some of those are not true. here's the official pressrow scoring.

Doug Fischer of maxboxing.com - 114-114 Draw
http://www.maxboxing.com/Fischer/Fischer031708.asp

Brad Cooney of Cooney Entertainment - Draw
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=95526

Harold Lederman of HBO (not his article but mentioned in it) - 115-112 for Pacquiao
http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-a ... s-marquez/

Dan Rafael of espn.com – 114-113 for Marquez
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing ... id=3296049

Steve Kim of maxboxing.com – 115-112 for Pacquiao
http://www.maxboxing.com/Kim/Kim031708.asp

The Arizona Republic – 114-113 for Marquez
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepubli ... r0317.html

Jeff Haney of Las Vegas Sun - 114-113 for Pacquiao
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/ma ... itle-bout/

Ricardo Lois of ******************.com – 115-112 for Marquez
http://www.******************.com/articles.php?id=4125

Michael Marley of ******************.com – 114-113 for Pacquiao
http://www.******************.com/articles.php?id=4132

SC of badlefthook.com – 114-113 for Marquez

http://www.badlefthook.com/story/2008/3/16/463/75851

Ace Freeman of fightfan.com – 115-112 for Pacquiao

http://fightfan.com/?p=101

Victor Perea of *********.com - 115-113 for Marquez
http://www.*********extra.com/cc/FIGHTS ... arquez.htm

‘Undisputed’ of doghouseboxing.com – 115-114 for Pacquiao

http://www.doghouseboxing.com/DHB/Round031508.htm

Bart Barry of 15rounds.com – 115-113 for Marquez
http://15rounds.com/Columns/bbarry/aggressor-031708.php

Ben Thompson of fighthype.com – 114-113 for Pacquiao

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content2220.html

Tim Starks of mvn - 114-113 for Marquez
http://mvn.com/boxing/2008/03/17/the-tr ... -pacquiao/

Aaron Jones of *********.com – 115-112 for Pacquiao
http://www.*********.com/article_detail.php?AT=603

[SplitSecond]

first fight either way

second fight is hard to give to marquez

[JSS]

this

i agree

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