Comments Thread For: Roach: No Robbery, Pacquiao Beat Marquez Twice

[komandante]

That's an understatement.

- Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.
- Graham Houston, FightWriter.com also picked Marquez

All of these are not judges they're sports writers and commentators, judges and legions think Pacquiao deserves the win...third fight will prove that and the Pacman will shut all your mouth believe me, that's why he agreed for 3rd fight, cause he's a warrior.

[-Kev-]

You still can't call it a robbery though. I think fans get confused between robberies and bad decisions or close decisions. I thought the second fight was a very close fight but I also had JMM winning.

A robbery was Sturm v DLH, Trinidad v DLH, Whitaker v Chavez......those were robberies. This one was just a close fight that could have gone either way.

I never called any of those fights a robbery. But when so many people had it for Marquez, it's hard to say that fight could have gone either way. It was a close fight with Marquez deserving the win IMO.

[-Kev-]

All of these are not judges they're sports writers and commentators, judges and legions think Pacquiao deserves the win...third fight will prove that and the Pacman will shut all your mouth believe me, that's why he agreed for 3rd fight, cause he's a warrior.

Of course they are not judges. They are just several of Manny Pacquiao's countrymen and Top Rank TV giving their honest opinions on who they thought won. It's not an official scorecard or anything. I mean the fans say who won the fight, and the majority of the fans say it's Marquez. That's all that matters. Judges can a suck a dick.

[komandante]

the 2nd fight should have gone to jmm. even donaire thought pac lost that fight.

Donaire is not a judge. Besides some mexicans are cheaters look at the replay again and you will see Nacho inserting a string on Marquez cut w/c is illegal in boxing.

[komandante]

Of course they are not judges. They are just several of Manny Pacquiao's countrymen and Top Rank TV giving their honest opinions on who they thought won. It's not an official scorecard or anything. I mean the fans say who won the fight, and the majority of the fans say it's Marquez. That's all that matters. Judges can a suck a dick.

which fans, I was there and nobody booed the result it was close and Pac deserves to win. Nacho is a cheater, just watch the replay and you will see what he's doing on Marquez cuts..

[King Ju-Ju]

My personal scorecard

First fight, JMM won 7 rounds but the kds gave Pac the nod. Second fight I had it 6 rounds a piece with the sole kd giving Pac the win. So I have to agree with Roach.

[gauze]

both fights were great. draw or a close pacquiao win in the first fight, close 2nd fight but i'd give it to marquez by hair. huge jmm fan but no robberies.

[Rolaz]

Officially the 1st fight was a Draw, but then one judge has committed error in his scoring, which should have given Pacman a Split Decision Win; The 2ND Fight has Pacman winning the Title.

If there was robbery then why the Marquez Team never file formal protest to World Boxing Body e.g. WBC?

Just like the Mayweathers Team, the Marquez Team, resort to trial by publicity, complaining thru media without making legal action.

[Leohappy]

formal protests are useless waste or time and effort. particularly if you protest against a certain judge or a scorecard. they might take action against a judge, but result will be the same. same in most other sports.

[edgarg]

I somewhat agree with Roach about the first fight but definitely not the second fight. In first fight Pacquiao got his as$ whooped most of the fight, but, because of the 3 knock downs in round 1 and some very close rounds later in the fight I gave him a 1 point edge - I don't argue a draw though.

The second fight I had Marquez by 1 point, I think the rounds were very clear in that fight and it should have gone to Marquez. But, with that said I also think that Marquez was knocked down twice in that fight. If you replay the fight you'll see Pacquiao attacks Marquez after that knock down and Marquez sat on the ropes, preventing him from siting on the floor - I suppose it was Bayless' decision to make.
If the second knock down was counted then I would have it a draw.
Anyway, I'm neither referee nor judge as much as Roach isn't.

Manny P also gave Marquez a sound beating in rd 2 after the 3 KD 1st rd.