Comments Thread For: Victor Ortiz on Pacquiao Fight: I Call The Shots, Not Arum

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WBC welterweight champion Victor Ortiz (29-2, 22KOs) is ready for the best possible fights. After his career defining win over Andre Berto, the 24-year-old boxer wants the two biggest names at his weight, Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao. He doesn't really care about any of the fighters at 140-pounds, as he believes many of them were ducking him.

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the wifebeater fight is more probable than the pac fight just due to the GBP/TR feud

[Rome-By-Ko]

Well.... That is possible but we don't know because Pac hasn't fought anyone like Ortiz is a long time. Young combined with strength and determination may be too much for Pac at this stage in his career. I literally can't wait for the Mosley fight to happen.

The only thing different about Ortiz then Pac's last few opponents is the age..Ortiz has no skill and will be right in front of Pac as well..So where is the threat??I just really don't see it..

[FloydTBE]

haha, fight aint gunna happen

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And that was my point some post ago. All the slow, defenseless fighters Pac has been in with that couldn't push him or match his speed. Going up against a young hungry guy like Ortiz with power, stamina and determination wouold probably push Pac to the limits.

Agreed.

The first point is, I think that Pac would likely beat Ortiz, but it is fkn ridiculous to say that Manny could knock Vic down, and yet Vic could not hurt Manny

The second point, Vic WILL NOT QUIT against Manny, anybody who cannot see that, has no accurate understanding of what happened to Vic in the Maidana fight.

People underestimate how important confidence and self-belief are to a fighter.

Vic has turned the corner, you do not fluke what he showed against Berto, when that very same aspect was previously your main criticism.

He is prime, he is mean, he is on top of his game, and he will ask some questions from Manny that others have not been able to.

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Wow first Berto now Ortiz,jeez who will be the next Hype Job??Ortiz is not ready for Pac..He can't match him with speed,he does not posses any real boxing ability(dude throws one Jab a rd)..Pac would murder this kid and shorten his career what don't you guy's get??Ortiz should fight other young fighters that he can hone his skill against..Pac and or Mayweather abuse him,Pac physical and Mayweather Mentally..

I hear you fam but that wasn't just some whatever performance. Maybe mentally Oritz is not ready for Pac or Floyd. I can see that being a reason.

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Wow first Berto now Ortiz,jeez who will be the next Hype Job??Ortiz is not ready for Pac..He can't match him with speed,he does not posses any real boxing ability(dude throws one Jab a rd)..Pac would murder this kid and shorten his career what don't you guy's get??Ortiz should fight other young fighters that he can hone his skill against..Pac and or Mayweather abuse him,Pac physical and Mayweather Mentally..

I never been completely sold on Berto because he got too comfortable BUT to me, Ortiz proved that he is not a hype job when focused.

[jrosales13]

How am I ignoring the past 15 years?

Both Floyd and Pac are a sure thing. It's a sure thing that both would make quite easy work of Ortiz.

It's not the same Ortiz? It's not the same Ortiz of 2 fights ago? How does one win, just one win over an underachiever changes the guy? I can see your point if it was after years or at very least a couple of fights. But, all it takes now is just one fight? For a guy to change?

Yes Ortiz is at the top of his game. And, you might be right Pac might not fight him. And, no doubt Ortiz is more deserving than any other WW not named Floyd. However, Pac and Floyd would thoroughly dominate Ortiz if the fight ever happens.

"But, Ortiz can't **** with Pac in the ring. I can't take you serious if you think different"

We are arguing over nothing if you think that Vic is CLEARLY the most deserving potential opponent for Pacquiao, that was my only point.

Well if that's your point then fine. yes Ortiz clearly deserves a shot at Pac and even at Floyd. But, just cuz' he deserves it doesn't mean he can ****s with either Pac or Floyd.

Your opinon is noted, but I cannot take you too seriously if you cannot see that a blowout is just as likely in a Pac/May fight, as it would be in a Pac/Ortiz fight.

I would say a blow is much more likely in a Pac-Ortiz fight than it is a Pac-Mayweather. Pac and Floyd are closer to each other level than Ortiz is to either Floyd or Pac.

Are you trying to turn this into a Floyd vs Pacquiao bullshit? My goodness.

You have no blueprint, because the "new" and "improved" Pacquiao does not fight young, hungry, prime opponents, who are on top of their game.

F'ing ey....I guess any young prime fighter can beat Pac now. *sigh* does all it takes now to beat Pac. Like if Pac is some kind of ordinary fighter.

It's going to take somebody on Floyd level or Martinez level to beat Pacquiao. Somebody on Ortiz level will not beat Pac in the near future. I would give Bradley a better chance in beating Pac than Ortiz. Ortiz is not on Bradley level. Hell Ortiz is not even on Khan level.

But, again not to get it twisted. That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a shot cuz' he does. But, being deserving of a shot and actually being able to win is 2 different things.

[jrosales13]

Agreed.

The first point is, I think that Pac would likely beat Ortiz, but it is fkn ridiculous to say that Manny could knock Vic down, and yet Vic could not hurt Manny

The second point, Vic WILL NOT QUIT against Manny, anybody who cannot see that, has no accurate understanding of what happened to Vic in the Maidana fight.

People underestimate how important confidence and self-belief are to a fighter.

Vic has turned the corner, you do not fluke what he showed against Berto, when that very same aspect was previously your main criticism.

He is prime, he is mean, he is on top of his game, and he will ask some questions from Manny that others have not been able to.

The thing that you're underestimating Pac. Big time. It's one thing to being in the ring with Berto and getting dropped by Berto or hurt by Berto is another thing to being in that position against somebody as great, as good, as dangerous, and a better finisher in Pac.

Yes Pac has fought a lot of stiffs lately. But, don't that BS fool in thinking he's not an awesome elite fighter. Because, he is. And, Pac can quickly take the confidence away from Ortiz.

Don't let the hate get the best of you man. But, if you want to have an agenda go ahead.

[Rome-By-Ko]

I never been completely sold on Berto because he got too comfortable BUT to me, Ortiz proved that he is not a hype job when focused.

So then why does a win over a fighter you your self said was comfortable make you believe that now he is ready for Pac??Pac is a ***in beast dude,I know you may not like him but you have to see if he was in there with Pac it would be worst then the Maidana fight for him at this point..TBH I don't even think he should get in there with Cotto..Let alone a May or a Pac..You not beating top guy's with no Jab sorry won't happen..Peterson's jab was a big reason he fought to a draw with Ortiz(I had Peterson winning that fight I might add)..What do you think Pac is going to do to him??

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How am I ignoring the past 15 years?

Both Floyd and Pac are a sure thing. It's a sure thing that both would make quite easy work of Ortiz.

It's not the same Ortiz? It's not the same Ortiz of 2 fights ago? How does one win, just one win over an underachiever changes the guy? I can see your point if it was after years or at very least a couple of fights. But, all it takes now is just one fight? For a guy to change?

Yes Ortiz is at the top of his game. And, you might be right Pac might not fight him. And, no doubt Ortiz is more deserving than any other WW not named Floyd. However, Pac and Floyd would thoroughly dominate Ortiz if the fight ever happens.





Well if that's your point then fine. yes Ortiz clearly deserves a shot at Pac and even at Floyd. But, just cuz' he deserves it doesn't mean he can ****s with either Pac or Floyd.



I would say a blow is much more likely in a Pac-Ortiz fight than it is a Pac-Mayweather. Pac and Floyd are closer to each other level than Ortiz is to either Floyd or Pac.

Are you trying to turn this into a Floyd vs Pacquiao bullshit? My goodness.



F'ing ey....I guess any young prime fighter can beat Pac now. *sigh* does all it takes now to beat Pac. Like if Pac is some kind of ordinary fighter.

It's going to take somebody on Floyd level or Martinez level to beat Pacquiao. Somebody on Ortiz level will not beat Pac in the near future. I would give Bradley a better chance in beating Pac than Ortiz. Ortiz is not on Bradley level. Hell Ortiz is not even on Khan level.

But, again not to get it twisted. That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve a shot cuz' he does. But, being deserving of a shot and actually being able to win is 2 different things.

Great post..