Comments Thread For: Victor Ortiz on Pacquiao Fight: I Call The Shots, Not Arum

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I don't think Pac really cares who he fights to be honest. Arum, on the other hand, will not risk Manny losing (which is a long shot) but he is most worried about keeping the money in house. 2 TR fighters fighting = no other promoters getting money and Bob getting 2 cuts out of multi-million dollar paydays.

People can always find flaws or ways to discredit certain fighters, either by using age or experience or level of competition or any number of ways. I just can't see many people who are going to make it even a tough fight for Pac right now (especially since Mayweather is out of the mix) anywhere near 130-154 pounds. Cotto is not a shot fighter, I don't care what anyone says and Margs is a big, tough guy who can beat most competition. Clottey had never clammed up like he did against Pac and he even said that Pac hits far harder and is far faster than what people seem to think he is. Maybe Ortiz can give him a run but what I see is Pac's movement and STRAIGHT combination punching. He punches straighter than almost any boxer and he is able to do so while maintaining power and speed as well as dance around all at the same time.

Most boxers have a standard approach to fighting...lead foot, 30 degree angle or whatever it is between the legs and they turn their upper body into their punches as they punch for power. Pac squares his body up when punching but he is so fast that you have to eat at least half of the punches in order to land one yourself. He can concentrate his punches is a very small area in a very short time and is extremely accurate. Ortiz has a more standard style which is going to leave him open up the middle where Pac throws 90% of his punches.

That is why Pac makes guys look mediocre in the ring against him when they otherwise are top caliber fighters.

I hear you and understand this but Pac ain't fight no winners or primed champions. So I'm not willing to say what Pac would do to Ortiz but I would say that mentally Pac can out tough Ortiz if he has any doubt in the ring against Manny.

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The thing that you're underestimating Pac. Big time. It's one thing to being in the ring with Berto and getting dropped by Berto or hurt by Berto is another thing to being in that position against somebody as great, as good, as dangerous, and a better finisher in Pac.

Yes Pac has fought a lot of stiffs lately. But, don't that BS fool in thinking he's not an awesome elite fighter. Because, he is. And, Pac can quickly take the confidence away from Ortiz.

Don't let the hate get the best of you man. But, if you want to have an agenda go ahead.

There is no " agenda ".

When is the last time Manny fought a prime opponent who was on top of his game? He has been feeding on old faded champions and stiffs, end of story.

Your " assurance " that he could actually beat a prime fighter is re-assuring

But keep it, I want proof ^^

Oh yea sure, Pacquiao can beat Martinez, and he is just champing at the bit to rip his head off but mean ol Bob will not let him

I am sick of those bull**** stories about Pac.

FACT: the "new" and "improved" Pacquiao has been feeding on old faded champions, and the only welterweight that he has EVER fought at 147..... is, Josh "the punching bag" Clottey.

As I said, your "assurances" that Pac could step up if required, are heart-warming..... but not good enough.

[GRUSTLER]

I will have to agree to disagree,only thing I see happening with this fight is a one-sided azz kicking that will cut a good young fighter down before his time..

Also Cotto has a very good jab and timing,he beats Ortiz and most likely stops him..I told you ya not beating a top notch fighter like Cotto with no Jab..Cotto is not Berto and I'm not sold on this kid,let him fight some young guns..I would esp like Jones Ortiz then we will see what's what..

Pressure cracks Cotto wide open. I give Ortiz a shot at Cotto. Pac not sure due to experience in big fights.

[jrosales13]

There is no " agenda ".

When is the last time Manny fought a prime opponent who was on top of his game? He has been feeding on old faded champions and stiffs, end of story.

Your " assurance " that he could actually beat a prime fighter is re-assuring

But keep it, I want proof ^^

Oh yea sure, Pacquiao can beat Martinez, and he is just champing at the bit to rip his head off but mean ol Bob will not let him

I am sick of those bull**** stories about Pac.

FACT: the "new" and "improved" Pacquiao has been feeding on old faded champions, and the only welterweight that he has EVER fought at 147..... is, Josh "the punching bag" Clottey.

As I said, your "assurances" that Pac could step up if required, are heart-warming..... but not good enough.

Pac can Martinez? WTF? What are you talking about now? First Floyd now what about Martinez?

Who said Pac could beat Martinez? Either you trying to have some kind of other debate or are not reading what I'm typing.

[jrosales13]

Here he is again trying to make me sound unintelligent. Note to "jrnocojones0" you need more people.

I'm not trying to do anything smart one. You're doing that all by yourself

[Rome-By-Ko]

Good point, and I agree.

But every single Pacquaio opponent, has hit him with their best shot.

Come on man, Diaz was in a better position than Ortiz is in right now ?

Hatton was in a better position that Ortiz is in right now ?

Clottey was in a better position than Ortiz is in right now ?

Margarito was in a better position than Ortiz is in right now ?

Mosley was in a better position than Ortiz is in right now ?

If you truly believe that those guys were in a better position than Ortiz is now, then you just shredded Pac's recent resume'.

Diaz a Proven LW and just had beat a Legend(not a hype job)and held a belt better position..

Hatton was the 140lb King..and undefeated at Jr WW and came off two back ta back wins..Better position..

Clottey just came of a war with Cotto which a lot of people thought he won,not to mention it was Pac's first fight against a real WW(Hoya does not count)better position..Not to mention Clottey was far more established at WW then Ortiz is now..

Marga's I hated that fight nothing to say..

Mosley no matter what ya say is a future HOF and is always in better position then Ortiz off that alone..Sooo does this help ya out??

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So then why does a win over a fighter you your self said was comfortable make you believe that now he is ready for Pac??Pac is a ***in beast dude,I know you may not like him but you have to see if he was in there with Pac it would be worst then the Maidana fight for him at this point..TBH I don't even think he should get in there with Cotto..Let alone a May or a Pac..You not beating top guy's with no Jab sorry won't happen..Peterson's jab was a big reason he fought to a draw with Ortiz(I had Peterson winning that fight I might add)..What do you think Pac is going to do to him??

Well, like I said to Jro, your " assurance " on that is heart-warming, but not good enough.

A good fighter will look great if he holds all of the advantages, and Pac has been feeding on old faded champions and stiffs since 2008.

He did not want to fight a faded shop-worn Cotto who had been battered by both Margarito and Clottey unless he came in at catch-weight. ***'s sake, they even tried to drag Cotto down to 143

And Cotto, is the " new " and " improved " Pacquiao's best win.

I want proof, because ALL of the evidence - and there is plenty of that - points to Manny being a manufactured fighter with a hyped resume'.

[Rome-By-Ko]

I wouldn't mind seeing the fight. Idk why everyone else is talking so much ****. I don't think he can beat Pacquiao but their both champs at 147. Would be a good sluggfest for how ever long the last.

It also would mean the end to another young Champion,Pac won't be around for ever(neither will Floyd)we need these young guy's fighting each other and proven who are the best between them imo..

[Rome-By-Ko]

I hear you and understand this but Pac ain't fight no winners or primed champions. So I'm not willing to say what Pac would do to Ortiz but I would say that mentally Pac can out tough Ortiz if he has any doubt in the ring against Manny.

You must have missed the Pac Cotto fight,Cotto was coming off a win..

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JMM is far more deserving then Ortiz is,and imo Ortiz would not be rank num 3 after beating a hype job who was rank to high in the first place..But to answer ya question JMM is far more deserving(and presents a better skill set)then Ortiz..

STOP !!

The question was not " deserving ", the question was " qualified ".

Ortiz is CLEARLY the #3 welter, and the most qualified.

Marquez is a lightweight, although thoroughly deserving.