I'd give Ortiz a better shot at beating Mayweather than Manny...............

[Mr. Philadel]

NO FUCIN WAY!!!

Mayweather would box CIRCLES around Ortiz and get a UD...EASY! Nothing against Ortiz, he is a talented young fighter and could pose some problems at 147, but he is NOT READY for Mayweather or Pacquiao just because he beat Berto

someone like Cintron would be a good match up for him, Mike Jones would be another great match up between two young fighters

Kell Brook would be a great match up also, Kotelnik also moved up to 147, that would be a pretty good match up IMO

of course people will say "Nobody thought he would beat Berto"...but Berto is NO Pacquiao or Mayweather THAT IS FOR SURE!

I know people HATE Mayweather but LETS NOT GET CRAZY! Mayweather is still a GREAT BOXER and it is going to take A LOT to beat him even with a YEAR LAY OFF, but when you start throwing around Victor Ortiz and Robert Guerrero as guys that can possibly beat him...YOUR REACHING BIG TIME!

I agree....Manny is a NIGHTMARE for Floyd....Vic is a walk in the park/tune up

[Gutz]

look guys dont waste your time with the *****s. its not a logical argument with them. its like blasphemy to their god if you desicrate their lords name. anyways im not completely sold on the ts's theory i think manny beats floyd better than voctor does. and in my opinion its a confidence and pedigree thing.

fixed..


Geez *****s are ******

[Motofan]

Floyd beats both fighters. Both fighters beat Ortiz. But I give him a better shot against Manny. Manny is easier to catch flush then Floyd (yeah I know, Shane 2nd round blah, blah) and Ortiz hits harder then anyone Pac has fought. So in theory, Pac could get caught and stopped. But in truth, Pac would see that hand drop just like Berto did and hurt Ortiz (although he may not stop him since Pac doesnt really stop people anymore). Floyd would just box and move to a UD. But if I was the matchmaker for Ortiz, I would be chasing after Pac as quick as I could. Or better yet, waiting for him to retire and trying to take his place.

[Dynamite Kid]

Well they would be different fights, you have pretty much laid out why I don't really give Manny much of a shot against Floyd outside of straight out being a much better man that takes everything and is able to dish out more.

Floyd fights smart and has the range advantage, there is no way that he does not make Manny pay for every inch of real estate, then when Manny gets into his range Floyd would most likely step inside tie up then work from there with his forearm push.


Ortiz I don't know, that could be an interesting fight I certainly would not favor Ortiz but I would not count him out if he is determined like he was this weekend because there is really no doubting his ability.

Agreed.


Precisely.

[Dynamite Kid]

Read the first line, his main point is that he gives Manny no shot~, if you give a guy no shot you could name anyone and give them a better shot because the other guy has none~

If you don't get hat then I don't know what to tell you, but you certainly should not be calling other people names based on intelligence.

Yep, that's it, but some people would rather believe what they wanna believe. Dont let the truth get in the way of a good story eh? Lol


My main point is, I think a fight with Ortiz-Mayweather has more intrigue in it stylistically, than what Manny -Floyd does, as I dont think Manny has the physical dimensions to compete with Mayweather.

[Dynamite Kid]

No chance. Ortiz doesn't possess the style to give Mayweather more problems than Pacquiao.

You need to put pressure and throw a lot of punches to rattle Mayweather. Ortiz doesn't have these attributes under his arsenal. Pacquiao is his worse nightmare, because he fights at a high tempo, and will force Mayweather to fight every second of the fight. Castillo had success due the pressure he put on Mayweather.

Ortiz will end up taking a beating and probably outclassed. Ortiz will play a game of chess with Mayweather like the rest of his opponents, he isn't accustomed to beat Mayweather.

This thread is absolute nonsense and ignorance.

Castillo applied intelligent pressure.

Castillo used his and shoulder feints as he came foward to offset Mayweather from leading off on him, whilst not putting anything out there Mayweather could counter off of, that helped him maneuver Mayweather out of center ring, then he stalked Mayweather off the front foot, made Mayweather feel uncomfortable, made him have to lead off more than he would like, he essentially applied that mental pressure, then when he saw Floyd in vulnerable spots, he stepped in with his aggression.


Ima tell you now, no one with a poor defense is gonna beat Mayweather. Castillo doesn't have a great defense, but he tucked up well in this fight, used the head and shoulder feints as he rolled foward.

Also, Castillo is longer than Manny.

Your oversimplifying things if you think just cause Manny is consistently aggressive, that he's gonna beat Mayweather.

[Ray*]

Castillo applied intelligent pressure.

Castillo used his and shoulder feints as he came foward to offset Mayweather from leading off on him, whilst not putting anything out there Mayweather could counter off of, that helped him maneuver Mayweather out of center ring, then he stalked Mayweather off the front foot, made Mayweather feel uncomfortable, made him have to lead off more than he would like, he essentially applied that mental pressure, then when he saw Floyd in vulnerable spots, he stepped in with his aggression.


Ima tell you now, no one with a poor defense is gonna beat Mayweather. Castillo doesn't have a great defense, but he tucked up well in this fight, used the head and shoulder feints as he rolled foward.

Also, Castillo is longer than Manny.

Your oversimplifying things if you think just cause Manny is consistently aggressive, that he's gonna beat Mayweather.

An experienced fighter like Castillo was able to do that because he has the experience not the physical attribute to pull it off, He also fought a Mayweather who was less experience, Within 6 months of the fight a rematch turn out slightly different due to Mayweather learning from the first fight.

[Dynamite Kid]

An experienced fighter like Castillo was able to do that because he has the experience not the physical attribute to pull it off, He also fought a Mayweather who was less experience, Within 6 months of the fight a rematch turn out slightly different due to Mayweather learning from the first fight.

It was both, like it wouldn't of helped if Castillo was as short as Manny, it wouldn't of helped if he were a slow fighter, or had stamina issues, lacked durability.

Ray, you have a self serving agenda regarding Mayweather, we've established that before. You would rather him fight Manny so he can banish all his critics, make up with one fight, all the ducking he's been doing for the last how many years.

[Ray*]

It was both, like it wouldn't of helped if Castillo was as short as Manny, it wouldn't of helped if he were a slow fighter, or had stamina issues, lacked durability.

Ray, you have a self serving agenda regarding Mayweather, we've established that before. You would rather him fight Manny so he can banish all his critics, make up with one fight, all the ducking he's been doing for the last how many years.

Both? Fact is you were comparing how Castillo fought Mayweather as the blueprint and how Ortiz can carry and use that blueprint, My point? Is Ortiz isnt Castillo in the experience department, He might have the same physical attribute that Castillo had going into a Mayweather fight but he doesnt have the necessary experience to fight the sameway castillo did, Moreover Ortiz would be fighting a more experienced Mayweather while Castillo fought a Mayweather who wasnt as much experience and according to reports injured.

secondly what agenda are you talking about? You were the one talking up about how you do not want Mayweather beating on Manny because that would erase all the "accusation of him ducking in the Past" I personally dont give a ***** if he ducked any Top rank fighters, And i couldnt care less if he beats Manny because beating Manny doesnt = Beating Cotto and Margarito in 2008..

So your post is as ridiculous as your thread.

[Dynamite Kid]

Both? Fact is you were comparing how Castillo fought Mayweather as the blueprint and how Ortiz can carry and use that blueprint, My point? Is Ortiz isnt Castillo in the experience department, He might have the same physical attribute that Castillo had going into a Mayweather fight but he doesnt have the necessary experience to fight the sameway castillo did, Moreover Ortiz would be fighting a more experienced Mayweather while Castillo fought a Mayweather who wasnt as much experience and according to reports injured.

secondly what agenda are you talking about? You were the one talking up about how you do not want Mayweather beating on Manny because that would erase all the "accusation of him ducking in the Past" I personally dont give a ***** if he ducked any Top rank fighters, And i couldnt care less if he beats Manny because beating Manny doesnt = Beating Cotto and Margarito in 2008..

So your post is as ridiculous as your thread.

But I wasn't, where did I insinuate that? I was just making light of the fact someone thinks Castillo had success by applying pressure, so Manny will be able to do the same.

Your post is ridiculous, cause your responding to something I aint saying.