I'd give Ortiz a better shot at beating Mayweather than Manny...............

[The Gambler1981]

yes, he changed the meaning later in the thread. I know, I was three, you came in 10 pages deep.

how about next time you try and jump on someone about whether or not they were right about a punch, you know what the *** you're talking about first dumbass. nothing like correcting somoene like a snobby know-it-all, then being wrong, then trying to deflect.


jacka$$.

It's not flawed cuz manny is a far faster fighter than demarcus corley and he's about a half inch shorter. you act like floyd is impenetrable, HE'S not. he can be hit by lefties and overwhelmed at time by volume. NO WAY ortiz is a better challenge for floyd than manny. floyd may not out range manny because floyd has never fought someone as fast on foot as manny who actually come from different angles.

No he didn't he clarified, I think the thread starter is a jackass but I agree with his point.

When did Floyd get overwhelmed by volume ever~

Manny comes into Floyd's range before Floyd comes into Manny's, range and timing beat speed.

Angles mean nothing when the other guy can keep you out of your range.

Corley hit Floyd good in one round, Zab hit Floyd good in one round, the rest of those fight both dudes got beat the fuck up, so I fail to see what the point is in bringing up those fights.

Who has Manny finished with one combination in the last 5 years? Other than Hatton which is still not even one combo because he knocked him down in the first round.


Your reasoning is flawed~

[The Gambler1981]

no its not moron. the third punch on the video is a straight left.

4th punch is a wide left that misses, 5th punch that lands is a straight left.

The second punch that landed, I don't count punches that don't land was a left and that was the one that made Floyd stagger back. That punch wasn't that straight.

The first punch was a right hook though not an overhand right~ overhand right is from an orthodox stance kind of like you are throwing overhand hence the name.

[The Gambler1981]

first 5 paragraphs of the thread, but the thread is not about ortiz having a better chance against floyd than manny has (not to mention the title)

Read the first line, his main point is that he gives Manny no shot~, if you give a guy no shot you could name anyone and give them a better shot because the other guy has none~

If you don't get hat then I don't know what to tell you, but you certainly should not be calling other people names based on intelligence.

[Walt Liquor]

No he didn't he clarified, I think the thread starter is a jackass but I agree with his point.

When did Floyd get overwhelmed by volume ever~

Manny comes into Floyd's range before Floyd comes into Manny's, range and timing beat speed.

Angles mean nothing when the other guy can keep you out of your range.

Corley hit Floyd good in one round, Zab hit Floyd good in one round, the rest of those fight both dudes got beat the fuck up, so I fail to see what the point is in bringing up those fights.
Who has Manny finished with one combination in the last 5 years? Other than Hatton which is still not even one combo because he knocked him down in the first round.


Your reasoning is flawed~

since you won't go back and read the thread, I ONLY brought those two fights up as an example to show why manny has a better chance than victor and not to say they would necessarily happen in manny vs floyd. it was a flimsy argument, but better than something the TS said....

you're thinking thyat I'm making an argument that I'm not making.

and the punch IS NOT a wide left. floyd was leaning to his right when corley threw it, it was thrown from corley's shoulder to his left. his arm would have hooked to throw that as a wide punch. the trajectory is away from his body. I'm a lefty, its a straight left. In no way shape or form is the third punch thrown in the video that clips floyd's chin and shakes him a wide left.

[The Gambler1981]

since you won't go back and read the thread, I ONLY brought those two fights up as an example to show why manny has a better chance than victor and not to say they would necessarily happen in manny vs floyd. it was a flimsy argument, but better than something the TS said....

you're thinking thyat I'm making an argument that I'm not making.

and the punch IS NOT a wide left. floyd was leaning to his right when corley threw it, it was thrown from corley's shoulder to his left. his arm would have hooked to throw that as a wide punch. the trajectory is away from his body. I'm a lefty, its a straight left. In no way shape or form is the third punch thrown in the video that clips floyd's chin and shakes him a wide left.

He threw the left out wide and caught Floyd with it, Corley is not really a straight puncher there is almost always some loop to his punches.

Those two fight could be used to show why Victor could win also or anyone could beat Floyd.

I read this whole thread.

[Walt Liquor]

He threw the left out wide and caught Floyd with it, Corley is not really a straight puncher there is almost always some loop to his punches.

Those two fight could be used to show why Victor could win also or anyone could beat Floyd.

I read this whole thread.

Stop trying to prove a point that can't be proven. So your logic, even thought the video clearly shows a straight left without the elbow coming up is that corley, because he tends to throw looping punches is incapable of throwing a straight left?

If it was a wide left it would have been caught by floyd's glove.

[The Gambler1981]

So you really want to get down into whether I view a punch as straight or wide, he didn't throw that punch down the pipe but it wouldn't have landed as good had he did~

[nj_evoixgsr]

first, mayweather fans dont get a thread on here unless it's a fantasy fight. he's on hiatus. so stfu.

second. op.....manny has no shot? *******s are delusional?

obviously there will be no point in arguing. who gave floyd his biggest test? zab or castillo? you think zab/castillo is better than pac? your ****ing crazy.

i won't continue since this is obviously a fantasy league for *****s. so no point in logically disecting your horrible analysis.

[Buckfever]

I like Ortiz, but Ortiz would be a punching bag.

[SUPREME.]

Woooooooooooow.

Ortiz, who people were just calling a quitter, who can't finish fights strong, who doesn't have heart.

He has one decent showing and now he has a good shot at beating Mayweather?!

The nerve of BoxingScene!