I'd give Ortiz a better shot at beating Mayweather than Manny...............

[Bushbaby]

I thought that, but does he though? cause I can remember watching the rematch with Marquez, and he seemed a bit more thoughtful after getting countered a few times, a bit more reluctant to keep throwing the left. I agree that if Manny gets desperate he will keep doing it, but if he doesn't have that break through success to change the complexion of the fight, will he keep doing it, or will he try and workout how to come in more strategically? cause slowing the tempo down, obviously suits the counter puncher.

You make a good point there, and that is what he will have to do to beat Mayweather imo, cause his defense is simply not good enough for that not to be the case. If Manny wants to press, and wants to win, he might have to neglect his defense to make Mayweather fight, but that could be dangerous to, given that Mayweather is bigger, he hurt DLH momentarily, and if Manny is coming in like that, who's to say he doesn't get hit with a counter he doesn't see?

True,but another thing that plays a big factor in all this is that Manny is active.(Yeah he's beating the brakes of of no-hopers)but he's active & training like a fighter.Floyd may be training or staying in shape,but that still isn't as good as training & fighting.Floyd is not knocking away any cobwebbs fighting Pacman.

[Dynamite Kid]

True,but another thing that plays a big factor in all this is that Manny is active.(Yeah he's beating the brakes of of no-hopers)but he's active & training like a fighter.Floyd may be training or staying in shape,but that still isn't as good as training & fighting.Floyd is not knocking away any cobwebbs fighting Pacman.

Cant argue with that.

[gopi11]

Mayweather is longer than Marco, so Manny will have a bigger killzone to cross, which will give Mayweather more time to find a counter punch, he's a better counter puncher than Marco to, and uses his legs more.

You know why Pacman's is successful so far? It's because he's unpredictable. He zigs when you expect him to zag. His angles are not that ones you used to see in a gym, you can't even find a sparring partner that can measure half of his ability if you have a future tussle with him.

True, Floyd is a great student of the game. He adapts fairly fast. He copes, and he usually gets "it" after a few rounds, but we're talking about if he was up against a conventional boxer. There's nothing conventional about Pacquiao, how do you adapt to a boxer who's only thing that's constant in him is his unpredictability?

[Termite]

I'd give Ortiz a better shot at beating Mayweather than Manny, cause Manny has no chance imo.


Ortiz is more dangerous to Mayweather than what Manny is imo. Ortiz is big, strong, powerful, consistent, a lefty, but one who has a good jab, and sound fundamentals.

A worry for Ortiz in a fight with Mayweather, is whether Ortiz is good enough at cutting the ring down when pressing, if Mayweather was able to draw him foward and was trying to use his movement to offset him.

Ortiz is a skilled, consistent, 5ft 9, power punching lefty. That would give Mayweather problems imo.


I give Manny little chance of beating Mayweather.

Manny's defense isn't good enough when on the the front foot, he doesn't have the ability to create his openings aside from feinting his way in, as he has no jab. Mayweather would paint Manny with lead right hands, counters uppercuts when he was shooting in with the big left, offset him with movement imo. Mayweather just has more ways to win against him, than what he has against Mayweather, not to mention the physical disparity between the two in terms of length.

I'd rather seen Mayweather vs Ortiz, only I think Floyd is smart enough to understand that Ortiz potentially posses a lot more problems stylistically.

idiot. yes u r!

[Dynamite Kid]

You know why Pacman's is successful so far? It's because he's unpredictable. He zigs when you expect him to zag. His angles are not that ones you used to see in a gym, you can't even find a sparring partner that can measure half of his ability if you have a future tussle with him.

True, Floyd is a great student of the game. He adapts fairly fast. He copes, and he usually gets "it" after a few rounds, but we're talking about if he was up against a conventional boxer. There's nothing conventional about Pacquiao, how do you adapt to a boxer who's only thing that's constant in him is his unpredictability?

I used to think that might be something in his favour against Mayweather, cause Mayweather is a guy that likes to calculate what he does, but is he really that awkward? If Manny is akward enough, I agree he could potentially give Mayweather issues, but probably more so early, whilst Mayweather is getting accustomed to his awkwardness, but once he gets in a rhythm, or if he was able to get Manny's timing down, then what?

Only reason I dont know whether Manny is awkward enough, and I know what you will say in reply to this, and it might be warranted, is he was neutralized somewhat by Erik Morales, a guy who's known more for his ability to fight more so than counter punch, now you can discount that and say, well Manny's a better fighter now, but even Cotto was able to counter him recently, and he still had problems with Marquez in the rematch, and that was in 08.

I might be completely wrong, but I do have my reservations.

[The_Demon]

You serious DK? id favour Mayweather over manny but too say Ortiz has more chance based on one victory over somebody like Berto is ridiculous

[gopi11]

I used to think that might be something in his favour against Mayweather, cause Mayweather is a guy that likes to calculate what he does, but is he really that awkward? If Manny is akward enough, I agree he could potentially give Mayweather issues, but probably more so early, whilst Mayweather is getting accustomed to his awkwardness, but once he gets in a rhythm, or if he was able to get Manny's timing down, then what?

Only reason I dont know whether Manny is awkward enough, and I know what you will say in reply to this, and it might be warranted, is he was neutralized somewhat by Erik Morales, a guy who's known more for his ability to fight more so than counter punch, now you can discount that and say, well Manny's a better fighter now, but even Cotto was able to counter him recently, and he still had problems with Marquez in the rematch, and that was in 08.

I might be completely wrong, but I do have my reservations.

You have all the right to have reservations about this, but Pacquiao himself said that he fight to entertain the fans, to give them their money's worth. They went to see a fight and that's what he's gonna give. He'll put himself at risk just to throw his own licks in, and that's what the fans expects of him. I'm pretty sure if he doesn't want himself to get tag as often as before, like his previous WARS and fight a borefest, he has the speed, stamina and agility to do that, but I don't know if he can duck all the water bottles coming his way if he decides to fight that way.

I'll give you a different scenario if and when the Pacquiao/Mayweather fight materializes in the future, just for $h1t and giggles.

DING-DING! Round 1

Pacman makes the Sign of the Cross and went straight to the ropes like it was a hammock and signaled to Floyd to come to him, rope-a-dope. What would Floyd do? How would the fans react? How would you react?

[Tamis!]

So Ortiz takes the cake this week on NSB.

[No1]

I think Mayweather stops him, Ortiz is reckless, kind of reminds me of an earlier Timothy Bradley in that sense.

I agree. I really like Ortiz and have been a fan for ages. But Mayweather is a level above anyone at the moment, he is so good he makes any style look poor against him. I'd see ortiz pressuring mayweather alot but eventually he will get caught with a straight right hand and put down my floyd. Ortiz jumps in to much and is very open to right hands when he does a left hand straight lead.

[Pin Galarga]

Super Manny has a better chin than Ortiz and Ortiz can't jab to save his life.
I disagree.