Comments Thread For: Pacquiao vs Marquez is Likely Next For Manny, Says Arum

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Lol at you prasing a cheater who was destroyed by Mosley. Mosley the same guy May weather tehnically destroyed. Mosley the same guy Pac wouldn't fight from 140-147. Mosley the same guy Mora took to a draw. Mosley who Pac now wants to fight because he hasn't won a fight in over 2 years. Much like Margarito the WW cheater who Pac wanted to fight for Sergio Martinez's JMW title at a catchweight.

Lol at you defending cheaters.... Margarito top 10 P4P? Gtfoh

margaritos trainer said 100 times that he weighed 165-170 pounds 30 days before the fight, he lost 30 pounds in one month and was weight drained vs mosley.

its funny how you people bring up that oscar was weight drained at 145 yet ignore the fact margarito was the same at 145

a prime margarito whips mosleys ass and i hope they rematch later on so we can see it in live action

mosley came off a 18 month lay off to fight floyd, he is not coming off a lay off to fight pac, mosley will be better in this fight but you haters can make all the excuses you want

[DominiBox]

First off, I don't much like pac's career(POST HATTON) and I also don't like all the *****ing JMM has done and I think Pac would win in a rematch. What mayweather did with JMM was a slap on the face and Pac could make himself look much better the Mayweather if he would just fight JMM at say 140lbs. Wait now that I think about it even if Pac demands 147lbs, JMM should just come in at what ever weight he feels comfortable just like pac does, the Margs fight was at 150lbs and he came in at 144 and still whopped ass. I think it really helps pac be in such great shape, not having to diet and cut fluids. So maybe it can help JMM since hes older now and taking into account that when he fought Katsidis he was 145lbs on Fight Night, plus I don't see pac coming in at 147lbs on the weigh in or on fight night anyway, so peps shouldn't really filp out if the fight happends at 147lbs. In anycase if it happens peopole will ***** that JMM is old and out of his weight class, but I say give him his chance its now or never and I'd rather have the fight then not at all.

I've been saying this for a while, but some guys never learn. !!

[DominiBox]

Stop being so ****** kid.

Jro is being reasonable, he just understands boxing a lot better than you do.

TIP: Don't mention fight-night weight when discussing boxing with an adult, because they will not take you seriously.

Boxing uses weight divisions for a reason kid.

Of course he's being reasonable.... you're the most ****** ***** around dude. You'll love to see Pacquiao in a situation where he have all the odds against him. So shut you mouth.....

Go to li.ck Floyds a$$ !!

I have facts... you're the best when it comes to speculate without facts.

****** ***** !!

[DominiBox]

That may have been a valid point earlier, but is now just a worn-out excuse.

Manny is the boss, and he makes the decisions.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-pacquiao-vs-mosley-fight-not-done-deal---33435

Come on man, every single Pacquiao opponent since Marquez II has been disadvantaged, do you really think that is a coincidence? or that it will change anytime soon?

The fact that Pac is demanding a JMM fight take place at 147 when he.....

* is aware that JMM is a LW, and would have to jump TWO DIVISIONS
* has used catch-weights himself, on more than one occasion
* will not defend his JMW title as his opponent would be "too big"

..... makes the 147 demand a cherry-picking b1tch-move, plain and simple.

You just earned the big one...... ****** of the year !!
When it comes to criticize, you wanna pretend you're a genius. But talking about Floyd, youre the most ****** guy around !!

[DominiBox]

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So Juan chases Manny all around the world demanding a 3rd fight. Manny waits until he gets old, and wants him to move to a weight where he wont be competetive. **** you Manny.

Exactly !!!

Wait... I got another one !!
JMM price himself out, and is part of GBP.
Bob Arum will not make business with Oscar, so Marquez himself has said that he want to leave GBP, cuz he know that being with them will not allow him to fight Pacquiao. Same thing Mosley said, and inmediately he left GBP, the fight was set up.

http://allaboutboxingnews.com/juan-manuel-marquez-to-leave-gbp-for-mega-fight-against-pacquiao/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/622523-manny-pacquiao-should-juan-manuel-marquez-pull-a-mosley-and-leave-golden-boy

And this is the best one:

http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/3/29/2079377/juan-manuel-marquez-contract-golden-boy-top-rank-boxing-manny-pacquiao

This is the part this two idiots missed..... FACTSSSS !!!!

LeadUppercut, Can you see the difference between facts and speculation ??
******. Now you can continue with your ridiculous comments.

[LeadUppercut]

Those are Arum's statement to the media saying Arum wanted the fight at 147. It's not like Pac ordered Arum to negotiate the fight at 147. They are not even negotiating yet.

That's Arum's old statement. He just said JMM could be Pac's next opponent.

Manny makes the final decisions if negotiations are taking place. In this fight he had 3 options. JMM, Berto, and SSM. He chose SSM.

They are not negotiating yet with JMM. There are no decisions to make yet.

Calling Margarito mediocre just shows how biased you are. Calling a 3 time WW champ and top ten P4P mediocre with no KO power. Cmmon...

Who's the top WW anyway?

Dude Martinez is a MW...

They made the statement near the end of their training for Margarito fight. They discovered that they can't push Pac over 150 without losing his speed the way they did in the lower weights. What's wrong with that?

Maybe you're hoping that Pac will ignore that and will go on even to fight the heavy weights just to see him destroyed..

Three silly excuses.

It is absurd that you think Manny works for Bob Arum.

When will that kid learn to stand on his own two feet ?

FACT:.....
Manny is responsible for every single decision coming out of that camp.

And if he did not like it, he would change it, end of story.

The " oh, but Bob... " excuse, is clearly a dead horse.

And Margarito.....
cheato is an over-rated bum, with no KO power, and he MOST DEFINITELY IS NOT a P4P fighter..... how the *** could you even suggest such a thing?

Margarito has shown no power at all in his last three fights, he got KTFO by ol man Mosley, and he had to resort to movement to keep Garcia off him.

Margarito has never been a elite fighter, and most likely has a fraudulent career.

Only Manny fanboys rate Margarito so highly.....

..... and Martinez so low

[LeadUppercut]

margaritos trainer said 100 times that he weighed 165-170 pounds 30 days before the fight, he lost 30 pounds in one month and was weight drained vs mosley.

its funny how you people bring up that oscar was weight drained at 145 yet ignore the fact margarito was the same at 145

a prime margarito whips mosleys ass and i hope they rematch later on so we can see it in live action

mosley came off a 18 month lay off to fight floyd, he is not coming off a lay off to fight pac, mosley will be better in this fight but you haters can make all the excuses you want

Don't be absurd.

Margarito is an over-rated bum, he did not have a prime, just a period where he was most likely receiving "assistance" from his handwraps.

Only Manny-huggers rate cheato

[LeadUppercut]

Wait... I got another one !!
JMM price himself out, and is part of GBP.
Bob Arum will not make business with Oscar, so Marquez himself has said that he want to leave GBP, cuz he know that being with them will not allow him to fight Pacquiao. Same thing Mosley said, and inmediately he left GBP, the fight was set up.

http://allaboutboxingnews.com/juan-manuel-marquez-to-leave-gbp-for-mega-fight-against-pacquiao/

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/622523-manny-pacquiao-should-juan-manuel-marquez-pull-a-mosley-and-leave-golden-boy

And this is the best one:

http://www.badlefthook.com/2011/3/29/2079377/juan-manuel-marquez-contract-golden-boy-top-rank-boxing-manny-pacquiao

This is the part this two idiots missed..... FACTSSSS !!!!

LeadUppercut, Can you see the difference between facts and speculation ??
******. Now you can continue with your ridiculous comments.

Kid, go away, and eat a big can of " grow the *** up ", you clown.

Come back when you know ANYTHING at all about boxing

To all of the posters (expecially DominiBox) that know more about Manny's singing prowess than his boxing abilities, this will explain why it is a b1tch move for Manny Pacquiao to fight Juan Manuel Marquez at 147......

Obviously 135 is the limit for Marquez. The Katsidis fight that took place over the weekend, is the first fight where the career-featherweight Marquez has even looked close to being a genuine lightweight.

Clearly, even at 140, Manny would still have a HUGE advantage over the old-age pensioner Marquez..... and Manny can easily make 140.

Immediately prior to the Margarito fight, Freddie Roach and Alex Ariza both stated that Manny was a natural junior welterweight. Ariza said that they simply could not keep any weight on Manny, and that he had to eat 6 meals a day just to remain at welterweight.

Bob Arum's earlier comment that he did not want Manny to "starve" himself to make 143, was an absolute lie, and a total b1tch-move by Team Pacquiao.

Here is proof that Manny Pacquiao can eat "anything on the table" while training for a fight where he weighed in at 144.....

http://www.examiner.com/fight-sports-in-pittsburgh/shane-mosley-losing-the-plot-with-talk-of-fighting-manny-pacquiao-at-middleweight

http://www.strengthspeedagility.com/manny-pacquiao-training-program

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/garethadavies/100004987/freddie-roach-exclusive-secrets-behind-manny-pacquiao%E2%80%99s-incredible-physique/

http://www.pacquiao-margarito.com/entering-manny-pacquiaos-inner-circle/

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=621958

http://ezinearticles.com/?Boxing-Ring---The-Right-Performance-Nutrition-For-Endurance&id=2546429

http://www.pacquiaovsmargarito.net/watch-live/margarito-weigh-middleweight-pacquiao/

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/garethadavies/100005581/roachariza-ped-accusation-at-manny-pacquiao-taken-as-compliment-at-first/

http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blog/_/name/boxing/id/5663515/entering-manny-pacquiao-inner-circle

Here is the Team Pacquiao lie.....

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=33333

Why did Team Pacquiao lie ?

Manny has a much bigger frame than the career-featherweight Marquez. At 147, Manny will be able to officially build up to 6-7lbs of muscle that Marquez' smaller frame simply cannot support.

The smaller Marquez cannot build anywhere near the same usable muscle-mass that Mannys larger frame can accomodate, let alone maintain that muscle-mass, let alone use that muscle-mass to the point where it directly affects your power.

On a smaller frame it is much more difficult to build usable power without it affecting your speed, and if Marquez does not maintain his speed, then it will turn out to be a bad mis-match.

Even at 140, Juan would only have a small chance against Manny - who would be much faster, and much stronger - and if Marquez does not maintain his speed, then he will have no chance at all, because his skills will not be effective against the faster/stronger Pacquiao.

The posters that are suggesting that the weight would make no difference, are being a little dishonest.

And the posters that are suggesting that the fight-night weights are the same anyway, are confusing water rehydration with usable muscle-mass. I am not an expert on Manny's fight-night weight, nor Juan's for that matter, but you posters that are suggesting there is no difference between the two, are confusing the water re-hydration of Marquez, with the official muscle-mass of Pacquiao.

The point is.....

Freddie Roach and Bob Arum are both well aware that Marquez cannot fight any higher than 135. If the fight was held at 140, then it would be a lightweight against a junior welterweight. But if the fight was held at 147, then it would be a lightweight vs a small welterweight.....

..... WHICH IS WHY THEY LIED !!

DominiBox, the 147 demand for Marquez is a cowardly cherry-picking b1tch-move, and only naive fan-boy idiots like you would believe otherwise.

" However, this fight only makes sense to me if it takes place at junior welterweight (and I would hope Marquez would weigh-in under 140 pounds). Why Pacquiao and company refuse to even consider fighting Marquez at 140 pounds (instead of the 144 or 147 they stipulate) is a very good question. The answer is obvious: they want every conceivable advantage against their aging but still-dangerous nemesis "

http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/124927-dougies-fat-friday-mailbag

Put your flag down kid, you can frantically wave that thing all day long if you wish, but that will not change the fact that Pac is a hype-job who will not fight without a distinct advantage.

[LeadUppercut]

A good fighter can be made a great fighter if he holds every advantage.
~ Mr Reality

[LeadUppercut]

Domini, you bring up fight-night weight all the time.

Which makes you look naive, and unknowledgable about boxing.

FACT: the amount of muscle-mass and conditioning that you take into a fight is solely determined at the official weigh-in, fight-night weight has no bearing at all, and can even be detrimental.

Posters who suggest that their fight-night weights are the same, so it makes no difference, are either ****** or dishonest.