Comments Thread For: Pacquiao vs Marquez is Likely Next For Manny, Says Arum

[DominiBox]

Kid, go away, and eat a big can of " grow the *** up ", you clown.

Come back when you know ANYTHING at all about boxing

To all of the posters (expecially DominiBox) that know more about Manny's singing prowess than his boxing abilities, this will explain why it is a b1tch move for Manny Pacquiao to fight Juan Manuel Marquez at 147......

Obviously 135 is the limit for Marquez. The Katsidis fight that took place over the weekend, is the first fight where the career-featherweight Marquez has even looked close to being a genuine lightweight.

Clearly, even at 140, Manny would still have a HUGE advantage over the old-age pensioner Marquez..... and Manny can easily make 140.

Immediately prior to the Margarito fight, Freddie Roach and Alex Ariza both stated that Manny was a natural junior welterweight. Ariza said that they simply could not keep any weight on Manny, and that he had to eat 6 meals a day just to remain at welterweight.

Bob Arum's earlier comment that he did not want Manny to "starve" himself to make 143, was an absolute lie, and a total b1tch-move by Team Pacquiao.

Here is proof that Manny Pacquiao can eat "anything on the table" while training for a fight where he weighed in at 144.....
http://www.examiner.com/fight-sports...t-middleweight
http://www.strengthspeedagility.com/...aining-program
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/g...ible-physique/
http://www.pacquiao-margarito.com/en...-inner-circle/
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=621958
http://ezinearticles.com/?Boxing-Rin...nce&id=2546429
http://www.pacquiaovsmargarito.net/w...ight-pacquiao/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/g...ment-at-first/
http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blo...o-inner-circle

Here is the Team Pacquiao lie.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=33333

Why did Team Pacquiao lie ?

Manny has a much bigger frame than the career-featherweight Marquez. At 147, Manny will be able to officially build up to 6-7lbs of muscle that Marquez' smaller frame simply cannot support.

The smaller Marquez cannot build anywhere near the same usable muscle-mass that Mannys larger frame can accomodate, let alone maintain that muscle-mass, let alone use that muscle-mass to the point where it directly affects your power.

On a smaller frame it is much more difficult to build usable power without it affecting your speed, and if Marquez does not maintain his speed, then it will turn out to be a bad mis-match.

Even at 140, Juan would only have a small chance against Manny - who would be much faster, and much stronger - and if Marquez does not maintain his speed, then he will have no chance at all, because his skills will not be effective against the faster/stronger Pacquiao.

The posters that are suggesting that the weight would make no difference, are being a little dishonest.

And the posters that are suggesting that the fight-night weights are the same anyway, are confusing water rehydration with usable muscle-mass. I am not an expert on Manny's fight-night weight, nor Juan's for that matter, but you posters that are suggesting there is no difference between the two, are confusing the water re-hydration of Marquez, with the official muscle-mass of Pacquiao.

The point is.....

Freddie Roach and Bob Arum are both well aware that Marquez cannot fight any higher than 135. If the fight was held at 140, then it would be a lightweight against a junior welterweight. But if the fight was held at 147, then it would be a lightweight vs a small welterweight.....

..... WHICH IS WHY THEY LIED !!

DominiBox, the 147 demand for Marquez is a cowardly cherry-picking b1tch-move, and only naive fan-boy idiots like you would believe otherwise.

" However, this fight only makes sense to me if it takes place at junior welterweight (and I would hope Marquez would weigh-in under 140 pounds). Why Pacquiao and company refuse to even consider fighting Marquez at 140 pounds (instead of the 144 or 147 they stipulate) is a very good question. The answer is obvious: they want every conceivable advantage against their aging but still-dangerous nemesis "
http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/1...friday-mailbag

Put your flag down kid, you can frantically wave that thing all day long if you wish, but that will not change the fact that Pac is a hype-job who will not fight without a distinct advantage.

Wow..... what a great research dude !!!
It's amazing the kid of things you can find when you type the right words on Google !!

And it's strange to see a ***** talking about liars.

"Negociations ?!? What negociations ?? We didn't heard about any negociations."

You need to concentrate in facts. Who wants the fight ?? Marquez...
So, Marquez wants the fight...Pacquiao has not been at that weight for years, and specially.....Pacquiao is the cashcow..!!

You're the same guy who's waiting Pacquiao to go up and fight Sergio. Sergio the guy who not even mentioned Kirkland's name, but when James was defeated by Ishida, now DiBella is trying to set up Martinez vs Ishida.

Would he have done the same with Kirkland ??
Calling out Pacquiao, but not even mentioning Ward's name... !!! Funny !!

Marquez weighed 145 for the Katsidis fight. And Pacquiao will weigh about the same. FACTTT !!

When Marquez beated Katsidis there wasn't any excuses !! FACTT !!

So shut that hole in your face and come back when you got a solid analysis!!

[DominiBox]

Domini, you bring up fight-night weight all the time.

Which makes you look naive, and unknowledgable about boxing.

FACT: the amount of muscle-mass and conditioning that you take into a fight is solely determined at the official weigh-in, fight-night weight has no bearing at all, and can even be detrimental.

Posters who suggest that their fight-night weights are the same, so it makes no difference, are either ****** or dishonest.

Oh serious ??
Ok, let's see. When you do a blood test to an athlete, you want to investigate whether any drugs where consumed in 2005 or to see if that athlete will enter the ring under the influence of any drug ??

What I mean is that what you want to see is the athlete's behavior the day of the fight, not the day before or a week before.

So knowing that, which one is easier:

a) Weigh 135 and then eat a bunch of food to weigh gain 10 or 9 pounds.

b) Weigh 141 or 142, and eat moderately to weigh gain like 2 or 3 pounds.


I think even you have what it takes to answer this one, so do not disappoint me !!

You don't need to be an expert, just have a brain to do that analysis !!
We know Marquez can fight very well weighing 145.... So that is a FACT.

Stop talking like Pacquiao will outweigh Marquez by 17 pounds, or even 10,8, or 5 !!

Floyd fought at junior middle against De la Hoya !! So he can go up and fight MARTINEZ. He called him out too..

Would love to see your answer for this one !!

[LeadUppercut]

Wow..... what a great research dude !!!
It's amazing the kid of things you can find when you type the right words on Google !!

And it's strange to see a ***** talking about liars.

"Negociations ?!? What negociations ?? We didn't heard about any negociations."

You need to concentrate in facts. Who wants the fight ?? Marquez...
So, Marquez wants the fight...Pacquiao has not been at that weight for years, and specially.....Pacquiao is the cashcow..!!

You're the same guy who's waiting Pacquiao to go up and fight Sergio. Sergio the guy who not even mentioned Kirkland's name, but when James was defeated by Ishida, now DiBella is trying to set up Martinez vs Ishida.

Would he have done the same with Kirkland ??
Calling out Pacquiao, but not even mentioning Ward's name... !!! Funny !!

Marquez weighed 145 for the Katsidis fight. And Pacquiao will weigh about the same. FACTTT !!

When Marquez beated Katsidis there wasn't any excuses !! FACTT !!

So shut that hole in your face and come back when you got a solid analysis!!

Well, you are a total fkn moron for replying to a post that explains in great detail exactly why it is pig-ignorant to mention fight-night weight when discussing boxing with an adult..... and then doing exactly that

But the very lamest comment you made, was when you attempted to refute why it is a chicken-**** b1tch move to demand that a LW move up TWO DIVISIONS to welter, by saying that "Pacquiao is the cashcow".

So, Manny is being a ch1cken-**** b1tch..... "because he can get away with it" ?

That is fkn lame kid

Neither you, nor Manny, care about.....
* what is a fairer contest
* what is better for boxing
* what is better for the fan's
* what is better for Manny's legacy

Win at all costs, that is all that matters to you non-boxing fanboy's.

Give yourself an uppercut, and never again mention fight-night weight when discussing boxing with me, you silly kid.

[LeadUppercut]

Oh serious ??
Ok, let's see. When you do a blood test to an athlete, you want to investigate whether any drugs where consumed in 2005 or to see if that athlete will enter the ring under the influence of any drug ??

What I mean is that what you want to see is the athlete's behavior the day of the fight, not the day before or a week before.

WTF?

Are you talking to me ?

Or did you mix up your reply to somebody else ?

What are you on dude, I never mentioned PED's ?

Snap out of it, this discussion is about why Manny will not fight unless he has a distinct advantage, or his opponent has a distinct disadvantage.

The odd 1 or 2 ?

Maybe.

But your last 8 opponents ?

So knowing that, which one is easier:

a) Weigh 135 and then eat a bunch of food to weigh gain 10 or 9 pounds.

b) Weigh 141 or 142, and eat moderately to weigh gain like 2 or 3 pounds.

I think even you have what it takes to answer this one, so do not disappoint me !!

You don't need to be an expert, just have a brain to do that analysis !!
We know Marquez can fight very well weighing 145.... So that is a FACT.

Don't be so ******, there is no need for " analysis ".

You just like writing words that contain " **** "

FACT: JMM is NOW a LW, and is ineffective at 147
FACT: Pac is a natural JMW according to Roach and Ariza
FACT: Manny can easily make 140

END OF ANALYSIS, YOU NOOB !!!

Give yourself two uppercuts.....
1.) For mentioning fight-night weight when discussing boxing with an adult
2.) For trying to peddle me bull**** childish excuses why Pac will not fight anyone unless he has a distinct advantage

Floyd fought at junior middle against De la Hoya !! So he can go up and fight MARTINEZ. He called him out too..

Would love to see your answer for this one !!

FACT: Mayweather fought a genuine Junior Middleweight
FACT: Mayweather fought a genuine champion
FACT: Mayweather fought at the divisional limit
FACT: Mayweather fought at 154 with 10oz gloves
FACT: Manny " padded " Pacquiao did none of those things

Would love to see your answer for this one!!

Would love to hear your reply to this.....

FACT: Mayweather fought a genuine Junior Middleweight
FACT: Mayweather fought a genuine champion
FACT: Mayweather fought at the divisional limit
FACT: Mayweather fought at 154 with 10oz gloves
FACT: Manny " padded " Pacquiao did none of those things

[don miguel]

Three silly excuses.

No. They are not excuses. Just stating the right perspective of the statements in the links you provided.

You have a habit of distorting the circumstances of statements in your links just to discredit Pacquiao. You put more weight on a statement made by Arum last year over his statement on this thread. If Arum changes his mind tomorrow and says JMM needs to fight Berto first, so be it. That would be his latest statement. But for now, JMM could be Manny's next opponent holds true.

It is absurd that you think Manny works for Bob Arum.

When will that kid learn to stand on his own two feet ?

FACT:.....
Manny is responsible for every single decision coming out of that camp.

And if he did not like it, he would change it, end of story.

The " oh, but Bob... " excuse, is clearly a dead horse.

I never said that. I even said Manny makes the final decisions. I assume you covered your eyes so you wouldn't read that.

The statements of Arum were made during an interview not during a negotiations. Its like you're saying Arum is calling Pac everytime someone asks him anything about Pac. "Hello Manny, I'm on an interview right now. He asked me this. What should I answer?"

Those were Arum's opinion. I'm sure if negotiations would take place, Arum would tell Pacquiao he would like the fight at 147. If Manny would agree to that, we don't know yet because no negotiations are taking place.

Why would you post a link about Pacquiao making a decision on whom to fight when actual negotiations are taking place and compare it to a statement of Arum during an interview when no negotiation is going on?
It just shows how ****** you are and would distort things to discredit Pac.

And Margarito.....
cheato is an over-rated bum, with no KO power, and he MOST DEFINITELY IS NOT a P4P fighter..... how the *** could you even suggest such a thing?

Margarito has shown no power at all in his last three fights, he got KTFO by ol man Mosley, and he had to resort to movement to keep Garcia off him.

Margarito has never been a elite fighter, and most likely has a fraudulent career.

Only Manny fanboys rate Margarito so highly.....

I never suggested that. I saw that on Ring Magazines rankings. And I know many boxing sites have Marg on their top 10 one time in his career.

Marg KTFO by Mosley but everybody knows in what state of mind Marg was during the fight after he was caught. You're ignoring the circumstances again just to discredit somebody.

Maybe Marg have a fraudulent career. But its a FACT that one time in his career, Marg was considered by many boxing fans and writers, not only by Manny fanboys, an elite fighter. Only haters would ignore that.

I ask you who where the top WWs at the time. You didn't answer it because you know it would include Marg, Cotto and Clottey.

..... and Martinez so low

Ow! I rate Martinez very high. But again, you ignored that he is a Middleweight. Martinez himself said after KO Williams that Pacquiao is too small.

You want Pac to fight JMM at 135.

Yet you want him to fight Martinez, a middleweight.

Common...

[don miguel]

Kid, go away, and eat a big can of " grow the *** up ", you clown.

Come back when you know ANYTHING at all about boxing

To all of the posters (expecially DominiBox) that know more about Manny's singing prowess than his boxing abilities, this will explain why it is a b1tch move for Manny Pacquiao to fight Juan Manuel Marquez at 147......

Obviously 135 is the limit for Marquez. The Katsidis fight that took place over the weekend, is the first fight where the career-featherweight Marquez has even looked close to being a genuine lightweight.

Clearly, even at 140, Manny would still have a HUGE advantage over the old-age pensioner Marquez..... and Manny can easily make 140.

Immediately prior to the Margarito fight, Freddie Roach and Alex Ariza both stated that Manny was a natural junior welterweight. Ariza said that they simply could not keep any weight on Manny, and that he had to eat 6 meals a day just to remain at welterweight.

Bob Arum's earlier comment that he did not want Manny to "starve" himself to make 143, was an absolute lie, and a total b1tch-move by Team Pacquiao.

Here is proof that Manny Pacquiao can eat "anything on the table" while training for a fight where he weighed in at 144.....
http://www.examiner.com/fight-sports...t-middleweight
http://www.strengthspeedagility.com/...aining-program
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/g...ible-physique/
http://www.pacquiao-margarito.com/en...-inner-circle/
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleid=621958
http://ezinearticles.com/?Boxing-Rin...nce&id=2546429
http://www.pacquiaovsmargarito.net/w...ight-pacquiao/
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/g...ment-at-first/
http://espn.go.com/sports/boxing/blo...o-inner-circle

Here is the Team Pacquiao lie.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=33333

Why did Team Pacquiao lie ?

Manny has a much bigger frame than the career-featherweight Marquez. At 147, Manny will be able to officially build up to 6-7lbs of muscle that Marquez' smaller frame simply cannot support.

The smaller Marquez cannot build anywhere near the same usable muscle-mass that Mannys larger frame can accomodate, let alone maintain that muscle-mass, let alone use that muscle-mass to the point where it directly affects your power.

On a smaller frame it is much more difficult to build usable power without it affecting your speed, and if Marquez does not maintain his speed, then it will turn out to be a bad mis-match.

Even at 140, Juan would only have a small chance against Manny - who would be much faster, and much stronger - and if Marquez does not maintain his speed, then he will have no chance at all, because his skills will not be effective against the faster/stronger Pacquiao.

The posters that are suggesting that the weight would make no difference, are being a little dishonest.

And the posters that are suggesting that the fight-night weights are the same anyway, are confusing water rehydration with usable muscle-mass. I am not an expert on Manny's fight-night weight, nor Juan's for that matter, but you posters that are suggesting there is no difference between the two, are confusing the water re-hydration of Marquez, with the official muscle-mass of Pacquiao.

The point is.....

Freddie Roach and Bob Arum are both well aware that Marquez cannot fight any higher than 135. If the fight was held at 140, then it would be a lightweight against a junior welterweight. But if the fight was held at 147, then it would be a lightweight vs a small welterweight.....

..... WHICH IS WHY THEY LIED !!

DominiBox, the 147 demand for Marquez is a cowardly cherry-picking b1tch-move, and only naive fan-boy idiots like you would believe otherwise.

" However, this fight only makes sense to me if it takes place at junior welterweight (and I would hope Marquez would weigh-in under 140 pounds). Why Pacquiao and company refuse to even consider fighting Marquez at 140 pounds (instead of the 144 or 147 they stipulate) is a very good question. The answer is obvious: they want every conceivable advantage against their aging but still-dangerous nemesis "
http://ringtv.craveonline.com/blog/1...friday-mailbag

Put your flag down kid, you can frantically wave that thing all day long if you wish, but that will not change the fact that Pac is a hype-job who will not fight without a distinct advantage.

JMM-Pac 3 if ever will happen at 147. So be it. It means JMM agreed to it.
So did everybody that Pac fought at a catch weight.
Nobody pointed a gun on their head to sign the contract.

Pac is a hype-job or not is not being a fact or not. Its an opinion.
Pac haters would call him a hype-job.
*******s will call him GOAT.

But its a FACT that BWAA voted Pac as the fighter of the dacade.
Its a FACT that according to the opinion of most boxing historians and writers, Pac is an ATG.
I would choose their opinion over yours all the time.

Every boxer would negotiate for an advantage.
But many boxers would give up advantage to fight Pac for money.
Why would you blame Pac if they will do that?
Pac is the PPV draw now.
Nobody gave it to him. He fought from 105 to 150 to earn it.
If that's easy to do and a hype-job, then why everybody is not doing it.
If Pac's opponent at WW were old faded fighters, why does JMM not fighting Cotto, Marg and Clottey?
If JMM won over Floyd, he could be the PPV king right now.
Everybody would concede to his every demand.
But right now, Pac is.
So live with it.
That's the way it is in boxing.
If you could change it, I'll be happy to help.
If you can't and can't accept it.
Get out of here..

[DominiBox]

Well, you are a total fkn moron for replying to a post that explains in great detail exactly why it is pig-ignorant to mention fight-night weight when discussing boxing with an adult..... and then doing exactly that

But the very lamest comment you made, was when you attempted to refute why it is a chicken-**** b1tch move to demand that a LW move up TWO DIVISIONS to welter, by saying that "Pacquiao is the cashcow".

So, Manny is being a ch1cken-**** b1tch..... "because he can get away with it" ?

That is fkn lame kid

Neither you, nor Manny, care about.....
* what is a fairer contest
* what is better for boxing
* what is better for the fan's
* what is better for Manny's legacy

Win at all costs, that is all that matters to you non-boxing fanboy's.

Give yourself an uppercut, and never again mention fight-night weight when discussing boxing with me, you silly kid.

I don't know from what hole you came here ******, but it's so strange to hear words like FAIRER, BETTER FOR BOXING, BETTER FOR THE FANS and LEGACY from a Floyd's a$$ l!cker like you !!

FACT !! Go and see some tapes and when you learn something you come back to me cr@ckhead !!

[DominiBox]

JMM-Pac 3 if ever will happen at 147. So be it. It means JMM agreed to it.
So did everybody that Pac fought at a catch weight.
Nobody pointed a gun on their head to sign the contract.

Pac is a hype-job or not is not being a fact or not. Its an opinion.
Pac haters would call him a hype-job.
*******s will call him GOAT.

But its a FACT that BWAA voted Pac as the fighter of the dacade.
Its a FACT that according to the opinion of most boxing historians and writers, Pac is an ATG.
I would choose their opinion over yours all the time.

Every boxer would negotiate for an advantage.
But many boxers would give up advantage to fight Pac for money.
Why would you blame Pac if they will do that?
Pac is the PPV draw now.
Nobody gave it to him. He fought from 105 to 150 to earn it.
If that's easy to do and a hype-job, then why everybody is not doing it.
If Pac's opponent at WW were old faded fighters, why does JMM not fighting Cotto, Marg and Clottey?
If JMM won over Floyd, he could be the PPV king right now.
Everybody would concede to his every demand.
But right now, Pac is.
So live with it.
That's the way it is in boxing.
If you could change it, I'll be happy to help.
If you can't and can't accept it.
Get out of here..

Let him be !! He lives in floydmania !!"peeleft:

[don miguel]

Domini, you bring up fight-night weight all the time.

Which makes you look naive, and unknowledgable about boxing.

FACT: the amount of muscle-mass and conditioning that you take into a fight is solely determined at the official weigh-in, fight-night weight has no bearing at all, and can even be detrimental.

Posters who suggest that their fight-night weights are the same, so it makes no difference, are either ****** or dishonest.

Are you a conditioning coach?
Or one of the *****s who graduated from google university?

Fight night weight has everything to do with power. Every high school science student knows that a man's power is directly proportional to its weight. That's why most trainers resorted to making their fighters fight lower than their natural weight because by fight night as they regained their natural weight they would have an advantage than boxers who are weighing-in at their natural weight.

You have it the other way around. Most boxers have to shed-off mostly water from their body and muscles to make the official weight. That's detrimental to the body because everyone knows our body needs water.

That's the reason why Roach would not allow Pacquiao to fight at 135 even though he can make it because Manny have to shed weight.

[don miguel]

WTF?

Are you talking to me ?

Or did you mix up your reply to somebody else ?

What are you on dude, I never mentioned PED's ?

Snap out of it, this discussion is about why Manny will not fight unless he has a distinct advantage, or his opponent has a distinct disadvantage.

The odd 1 or 2 ?

Maybe.

But your last 8 opponents ?



Don't be so ******, there is no need for " analysis ".

You just like writing words that contain " **** "

FACT: JMM is NOW a LW, and is ineffective at 147
FACT: Pac is a natural JMW according to Roach and Ariza
FACT: Manny can easily make 140

END OF ANALYSIS, YOU NOOB !!!

Give yourself two uppercuts.....
1.) For mentioning fight-night weight when discussing boxing with an adult
2.) For trying to peddle me bull**** childish excuses why Pac will not fight anyone unless he has a distinct advantage



FACT: Mayweather fought a genuine Junior Middleweight
FACT: Mayweather fought a genuine champion
FACT: Mayweather fought at the divisional limit
FACT: Mayweather fought at 154 with 10oz gloves
FACT: Manny " padded " Pacquiao did none of those things



Would love to hear your reply to this.....

FACT: Mayweather fought a genuine Junior Middleweight
FACT: Mayweather fought a genuine champion
FACT: Mayweather fought at the divisional limit
FACT: Mayweather fought at 154 with 10oz gloves
FACT: Manny " padded " Pacquiao did none of those things

Did you critisize Floyd the same way you critisize Pac now when he ignored the contract weight and fought JMM 2 lbs over and just paid the penalty?

Just asking...