Comments Thread For: Pacquiao vs Marquez is Likely Next For Manny, Says Arum

[LeadUppercut]

I agree, good post.

The point is, this will not be a " trilogy fight ", and it will not determine once-and-for-all, who is the best..... because Marquez is a career-featherweight, the rematch should have happened at 130.

At 135, you could be right, Marquez has now adapted to lightweight, but Manny should not be expected to go that low for Marquez.

At 140, the fight makes more sense, even though Manny will probably be too much for JMM at this point in time.

But Manny insisting upon 147, is an outright cherry-picking b1tch-move, just like it says here.....

Manny never insisted 147.

Manny have said several times this month alone that he could easily make 140

Arum insisted on 147 but Manny never said it. Arum will always demand for an advantage or use 147 as leverage for negotiations especially the way GBP priced JMM out in Manny's last fight

That may have been a valid point earlier, but is now just a worn-out excuse.

Manny is the boss, and he makes the decisions.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-pacq...e-deal---33435

Come on man, every single Pacquiao opponent since Marquez II has been disadvantaged, do you really think that is a coincidence? or that it will change anytime soon?

The fact that Pac is demanding a JMM fight take place at 147 when he.....

* is aware that JMM is a LW, and would have to jump TWO DIVISIONS
* has used catch-weights himself, on more than one occasion
* will not defend his JMW title as his opponent would be "too big"

..... makes the 147 demand a cherry-picking b1tch-move, plain and simple.

[LeadUppercut]

So Juan chases Manny all around the world demanding a 3rd fight. Manny waits until he gets old, and wants him to move to a weight where he wont be competetive. **** you Manny.

Exactly !!!

[don miguel]

We all should be experienced enough as fans of boxing to know that fights like this aren't new. And yes just because something is old practice, doesn't mean we should accept it either. We're all allowed to show our frustrations, but it seems some are just complaining for complaining's sake.

But people who feel so offended by certain fights should definitely not pay or better yet, not even watch the fight at all.

We all want great boxers to always be great. However, we should know from past Greats that that's not always possible. Great fighters also take easy fights and even take a break from the sport entirely. It would be amazing for Pacquiao and his legacy to yo-yo up and down weight classes.

"Drop to 135 for JMM."

"Go to 154 and take on Sergio."

"Move back down to 147 and fight Berto."

We all want to witness those scenarios (in any order). But maybe we're all stuck on the Manny that jumps weights from years past and don't want to notice that maybe Pac doesn't want to jump up and down the scales anymore.
He has reached the pinnacle of the sport and has made sacrifices and given up advantages to opponents in plenty of his prior fights.

Pacquiao has taken fights on late notice, fights with a more experienced opponent, fights where he was out-skilled, fights where he was the considerably smaller man, has lost multiple times, and yet kept going. Manny made the same sacrifices and gave up advantages for the right opportunities just like every other boxer.

JMM is well aware of these same sacrifices and advantages that a boxer gives up in the sport and business of Boxing. And as with most business, not everything is fair. If he doesn't want the money, then he can stay where he is. Nothing wrong with that. If he does, then he'll have to consider sacrifices that every other boxer would kill to make. The same sacrifices that Pacquiao has made.

Fight or flight.

well said...

[don miguel]

That may have been a valid point earlier, but is now just a worn-out excuse.

Manny is the boss, and he makes the decisions.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-pacq...e-deal---33435

Come on man, every single Pacquiao opponent since Marquez II has been disadvantaged, do you really think that is a coincidence? or that it will change anytime soon?

The fact that Pac is demanding a JMM fight take place at 147 when he.....

* is aware that JMM is a LW, and would have to jump TWO DIVISIONS
* has used catch-weights himself, on more than one occasion
* will not defend his JMW title as his opponent would be "too big"

..... makes the 147 demand a cherry-picking b1tch-move, plain and simple.

When did Pac demanded a JMM fight at 147?

So you're saying fighting against somebody who is 17 lbs heavier and 5 inches taller an advantage for Pac?

Pac won't defend his JMW title because JMW is too big for him. That's a fact. He decided not to fight at JMW anymore. What's wrong with that?

[levz]

hehehe casual Pac hater, Pacquiao fights a 39yr old Mosley at 147 at present, if at present if Mosley vs JMM it will be blow out favor for Mosley. JMM wants a piece of 3rd fight with Pacquiao even at anyway, then TR announced hes next i guess if its true even we know its TR and GBP feud, and now the haters will say JMM is old for Pacquiao too much at 147.. hahaha

How about this Ishida vs Martinez?

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When did Pac demanded a JMM fight at 147?

When Marquez was first mentioned, Team Pacquiao immediately stated that the fight would not happen unless it took place at 147.

Pacquiao vs Marquez Will Be at 147 or No Fight.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-pacq...o-fight--33333

NOTE: when Marquez immediately accepted the 147 demand, Bob Arum changed his story and stated that Marquez must "prove himself" at 147 first, and suggested that he go fight Berto
http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-bert...ao-shot--34119

Manny is hiding behind Bob Arum, because Arum already let it slip that Manny makes ALL of the final decisions regarding his future opponents.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-pacq...e-deal---33435

So you're saying fighting against somebody who is 17 lbs heavier and 5 inches taller an advantage for Pac?

No, I am saying that fighting a slow, plodding, faded, shop-worn, mediocre, welterweight, BUM, who had no KO power, and who could not have beaten any of the top welter's..... at catch-weight..... when fighting for a VACANT JMW title..... is a serious advantage for Pac.

Dude, it was either that or fight someone like Martinez.

Which one do you think gave Manny the best advantage, and the best chance of winning a title at 154 ?

Pac won't defend his JMW title because JMW is too big for him. That's a fact. He decided not to fight at JMW anymore. What's wrong with that?

Manny NEVER intended to fight a genuine JMW opponent.

Well before the Margarito fight, Team Pacquiao stated that Manny will never defend his title against a genuine JMW.....
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/10...-pacman-fights

MP just tried to cheat history by fighting a faded WW bum for a vacant JMW title..... at catch-weight, and with 8oz gloves, to boot

[LeadUppercut]

hehehe casual Pac hater, Pacquiao fights a 39yr old Mosley at 147 at present, if at present if Mosley vs JMM it will be blow out favor for Mosley. JMM wants a piece of 3rd fight with Pacquiao even at anyway, then TR announced hes next i guess if its true even we know its TR and GBP feud, and now the haters will say JMM is old for Pacquiao too much at 147.. hahaha

How about this Ishida vs Martinez?

You clown.

Pacquiao has made an art-form out of feeding on old faded champions.

He is your classic hype-job.

I dare you to reply, and tell me that you think Sergio Martinez is ducking that middleweight powerhouse Nobuhiro Ishida

[don miguel]

When Marquez was first mentioned, Team Pacquiao immediately stated that the fight would not happen unless it took place at 147.

Pacquiao vs Marquez Will Be at 147 or No Fight.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-pacq...o-fight--33333

NOTE: when Marquez immediately accepted the 147 demand, Bob Arum changed his story and stated that Marquez must "prove himself" at 147 first, and suggested that he go fight Berto
http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-bert...ao-shot--34119

Manny is hiding behind Bob Arum, because Arum already let it slip that Manny makes ALL of the final decisions regarding his future opponents.....
http://www.boxingscene.com/arum-pacq...e-deal---33435

No, I am saying that fighting a slow, plodding, faded, shop-worn, mediocre, welterweight, BUM, who had no KO power, and who could not have beaten any of the top welter's..... at catch-weight..... when fighting for a VACANT JMW title..... is a serious advantage for Pac.

Dude, it was either that or fight someone like Martinez.

Which one do you think gave Manny the best advantage, and the best chance of winning a title at 154 ?

Manny NEVER intended to fight a genuine JMW opponent.

Well before the Margarito fight, Team Pacquiao stated that Manny will never defend his title against a genuine JMW.....
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/10...-pacman-fights

MP just tried to cheat history by fighting a faded WW bum for a vacant JMW title..... at catch-weight, and with 8oz gloves, to boot

Those are Arum's statement to the media saying Arum wanted the fight at 147. It's not like Pac ordered Arum to negotiate the fight at 147. They are not even negotiating yet.

That's Arum's old statement. He just said JMM could be Pac's next opponent.

Manny makes the final decisions if negotiations are taking place. In this fight he had 3 options. JMM, Berto, and SSM. He chose SSM.

They are not negotiating yet with JMM. There are no decisions to make yet.

Calling Margarito mediocre just shows how biased you are. Calling a 3 time WW champ and top ten P4P mediocre with no KO power. Cmmon...

Who's the top WW anyway?

Dude Martinez is a MW...

They made the statement near the end of their training for Margarito fight. They discovered that they can't push Pac over 150 without losing his speed the way they did in the lower weights. What's wrong with that?

Maybe you're hoping that Pac will ignore that and will go on even to fight the heavy weights just to see him destroyed..

[tlarry]

Pacquiao Blows Thru Marquez In 4 Rounds!

It won't resemble the two previous fights, Manny will train wreck Marquez in 4, then Marquez can go beat brains apart for a 4th time in a meaningless fight with Barerra. The winner can then fight Erik Morales in their own round robin. Manny is several echelons above these former, well past their prime, greats. But what do you do, when Runaway Mayweather won't fight you for $50m-$100m? Just keep fighting who's left!

[NinjaMan!]

C'mon now trick..

Floyd accepted Manny's terms even down to a 5050 split.

Pac ran off to fight and get BUSTED-UP by an African punching bag.

Clottey threw 10 punches and still had Fanny looking like he fell down an elevator shaft..

Arum is pimping you donkeys like it ain't *****.

Come on dude? Gayweathers been on vacation for basically his whole thirties. ESPN and the rest of the world calls him a coward and he still won't fight.The only one getting pimped is you and the rest of gayweathers fancy fanboys.