People really think Prime Roy could beat Haye of today?

[edgarg]

Wasn't that Haye's 10th pro fight? And didn't it happen in '04?

Haye has improved a lot since then. I think he beats RJJ. A prime RJJ was at what? 168?? Haye is just too big and has too much power for Roy too handle.

He spent most of his prime career at light-heavy, and he was such an extraordinary phenomenon that it really wouldn't matter what weight he fought at. He was bound to win, and for 15 years was just that. He can't help getting old, it happens to us all.

[edgarg]

At heavyweight? No way.

Haye possesses enough skills, speed, and power to but a real hurting on Jones. Styles make fights and beating Ruiz at HW isn't a yardstick for beating Haye.

Jones beat Ruiz when Ruiz was an established champion, and was recognised by all as a most difficult guy to beat, with his aggravating style. It was only when the boxing authorities got rid of his long time trainer, that Ruiz began to fight in a more open style, leaving himself liable to be hit, and it began his downslide, right to being well used up and little better than a palooka.

That of course was when it was decided that he was now a good opponent for Haye........

[edgarg]

Whatever you say about Roy, Haye was fast enough and has the most power Roy would have faced. Roy would get hurt.

A chin is a chin and Roy was fast enough to exploit guys, but Haye is certainly able to catch Roy and KO him.

Jones didn't just "exploit" guys, he exposed and humiliated them. Who could you ever compare to him, even out of his prime, but especially IN his prime, which lasted for most of his real career

[edgarg]

Wasn't that Haye's 10th pro fight? And didn't it happen in '04?

Haye has improved a lot since then. I think he beats RJJ. A prime RJJ was at what? 168?? Haye is just too big and has too much power for Roy too handle.

Well, it's only your opinion, and it's only my opinion, but my opinion has a hell of a lot to back it up, whilst yours doesn't. I cannot even visualise a scenario where a ham-and-egger like Haye would beat a phenomenon like Jones.

Unless he just throws a lucky punch with his eyes closed.....like Tarver.

[edgarg]

Well, I feel you need a great chin to take Haye on now, and definitely a defence. Roy was very open.

Yes maybe it could be said when he dropped down, it was very bad for him, but even if he had Hopkin's chin, he was still very open for shots.

I admire your post since you see things that the whole boxing world for about 20 years (right from even his amateur days) never saw.

Congratulations.

[Steak]

Yea it hard to tell cause Ive never seen Roy take a good shot from any1, so it hard to tell if he had a chin or not all i know is that Tarver caught him hard and that broke him as a fighter.

its boxing though, knockdowns happen.

[Motofan]

In his prime? Sure he might have. He had the speed and skills to do it. Hell, some people thing he could beat Haye now. Dwyer included. Me? I think I would have favored a prime Roy, but Roy of today wouldnt last a round.

[John Barron]

its boxing though, knockdowns happen.

he got caught with a good shot but most of it was a slip. the ring had been wet from jones' trunks the whole fight. irrc, he almost slipped again in another round when no punch landed.

this thread is pointless.
PRIME ROY JONES JR.
prime... ya'll must've forgot.

[Steak]

he got caught with a good shot but most of it was a slip. the ring had been wet from jones' trunks the whole fight.

this thread is pointless.
PRIME ROY JONES JR.
prime... ya'll must've forgot.

not a chance whatsoever.

[John Barron]

not a chance whatsoever.

did you even watch the whole fight?