better resume..hopkins,pacman

[bojangles1987]

Damn man, saying Morales was nowhere near his best when he fought Raheem is unfair, considering he just came off beating Pacquiao. If Raheem fought a way past Morales, then imagine what version of Morales Pacquiao fought.

That was his last great night at a weight he had been at for a couple years. Morales wasn't at his best when he beat Pacquiao, not even close. But Morales was never a lightweight, he was never capable of being a lightweight.

[Guest]

Damn man, saying Morales was nowhere near his best when he fought Raheem is unfair, considering he just came off beating Pacquiao. If Raheem fought a way past Morales, then imagine what version of Morales Pacquiao fought.

This is hard.

They both have similarly impressive welterweight resumes.

I cant decide

Very clever post. Too bad it went over thousands of people's heads.

[cupocity303]

But there is no basis for it. You listed a couple of credentials and then totally skipped ahead and proclaimed him King ****.

What's your criteria for Barrera being greater? Last time I checked, Tito was in his prime vs Hopkins and the win before that proves it. And it proved that he carried his power well up in weight.

Beating a P4P Elite fighter for the first time >>> Beating a P4P Champion who has already lost. There is nothing like putting a dent in a undefeated, great Champions record, and doing it in dominant fashion.

Lets talk scientific facts also. If we do some boxrec research, both Tito and Barrera have alot of Title defenses at the weight classes they competed at. Barrera at Super-Bantam, Tito at Welterweight.

Both are multi-division champs, but this is where my point comes. There is a much greater gap going up from 147 to 154 and then to 160 to win a title, then there is to go up from 122 to 126 and 130 (Super-Feather). That's a TOTAL OF 7 POUNDS. All those guys are essentially the same size.

Now from 147 to 154 is already a gap of 7 pounds, and then to 160, another 6 pounds. A total of 13 pounds. Fighters feel the size difference at anything above 135. That's why Jr.Welterweights are reluctant to go up to 147.

Tito's rise in weight is much more impressive than Barrera's three division reign that consists of 7 pounds of difference in total.

[jrosales13]

But there is no basis for it. You listed a couple of credentials and then totally skipped ahead and proclaimed him King ****.

What's your criteria for Barrera being greater? Last time I checked, Tito was in his prime vs Hopkins and the win before that proves it. And it proved that he carried his power well up in weight.

Beating a P4P Elite fighter for the first time >>> Beating a P4P Champion who has already lost. There is nothing like putting a dent in a undefeated, great Champions record, and doing it in dominant fashion.

What criteria do I have in Barrera being greater? Than Tito?

That Barrera had the better wins in his career, the better resume, the better accomplishments. A win over Morales>>>any win Tito had in his career.

I don't know, I always thought it was pretty clear cut that Barrera was a greater fighter than Tito...

What makes Tito a greater fighter than Barrera win?

I guess Segura win over Calderon is better than a potential win over Pac. is better than Morales win over Pac. Because, Calderon was undefeated and Pac had losses.

Seriously putting too much emphasis on W-L record is idiotic. That is why there's always an idiot who accuses one guy being done, shot, overrated, overhyped after 1 lost, because people put too much emphasis on undefeated records.

Yes Tito was undefeated, and yes Barrera had a lost. But, that doesn't take away that Barrera was the greater fighter period. With a better resume and accomplishment a win over Morales>>>>>>any Tito win. And, is not like Barrera wasn't prime. He was, I would understand if Barrera was old or something. But, he was prime.

[Larry the boss]

Lets talk scientific facts also. If we do some boxrec research, both Tito and Barrera have alot of Title defenses at the weight classes they competet. Barrera at Super-Bantam, Tito at Welterweight.

Both are multi-division champs, but this where my points comes. There is a much greater gap going up from 147 to 154 and then to 160 to win a title, then there is to go up from 122 to 126 and 130 (Super-Feather). That's a TOTAL OF 7 POUNDS. All those guys are essentially the same size.

Now from 147 to 154 is already a gap of 7 pounds, and then to 160, another 6 pounds. A total of 13 pounds. Fighters feel the size difference at anything above 135. That's why Jr.Welterweights are reluctant to go up to 147.

Tito's rise in weight is much more impressive than Barrera's three division reign that consists of 7 pounds of difference in total.

true...........

[ThePunchingBag]

Hopkins is the man, but we're comparing two freak of natures.

One has monster stamina, speed and crazy footwork.

The other has amazing longevity, guile, and ring generalship.

Resume wise, Hopkins takes the cake for systematically destroying so many HOF's.

Keep in mind how long B.Hop has been at the highest tiers of Boxing.

Frankly I'm surprised no one has accused him of doing steroids.

If somehow Pac stays in the game long enough to match B.Hops years, then maybe they'd be comparable.

Fact is B.Hops been in with them all due to his long years in boxing, but he's won big fights and lost big fights.

The only big fight Pac has ever lost was to Morales the first time.

There can be no denying that B.Hop is a legend of the game, but Pac is no slouch and will eventually have to fight a big name again.

A W over Mayweather or Martinez puts Pac in the higher echelon imo.

[IronDanHamza]

Very clever post. Too bad it went over thousands of people's heads.

I doubt it went over anyones head.

I mean, it's pretty clear cut what they are implying.

[jrosales13]

Lets talk scientific facts also. If we do some boxrec research, both Tito and Barrera have alot of Title defenses at the weight classes they competet. Barrera at Super-Bantam, Tito at Welterweight.

Both are multi-division champs, but this where my points comes. There is a much greater gap going up from 147 to 154 and then to 160 to win a title, then there is to go up from 122 to 126 and 130 (Super-Feather). That's a TOTAL OF 7 POUNDS. All those guys are essentially the same size.

Now from 147 to 154 is already a gap of 7 pounds, and then to 160, another 6 pounds. A total of 13 pounds. Fighters feel the size difference at anything above 135. That's why Jr.Welterweights are reluctant to go up to 147.

Tito's rise in weight is much more impressive than Barrera's three division reign that consists of 7 pounds of difference in total.

That's not really scientific fact.

It's harder to move up weight-classes successfuly in the lower weights than it is in the higher weights.

Why do I say that? Because, check how many 5 division champs there are to fighters who fought form LW and higher, to fighters who fought LW and lower.

[B.U.R.N.E.R]

Holyfield was about 5 years too shot. As good of a win as ODLH on Manny's resume. You idiots don't count that win though right? So why do you count Holyfield? self contradicting idiots.


McCallum is a first ballot Hall of famer? Is Nunn? What about Barkley?



Cotto beat Shane. That is a first ballot hall of famer. Mosley > All those wins. Period.

Dude is this a serious post?

Erm.....Yes. McCallum is in the HOF already.

He is arguablly the best Jr Middlweight of all time.

So erm...yeah.

hes already in..damn do you even know who these people are??

Mike McCallum was fantastic in his prime. You forget this site is full of people under 30 years old.

James Toney as well.

lol at someone suggesting that McCallum wont get in the HOF. hes already ****ing there, and it was a no brainer.

and Toney is WAY more deserving of the HOF than Cotto

[bojangles1987]

Hopkins is the man, but we're comparing two freak of natures.

One has monster stamina, speed and crazy footwork.

The other has amazing longevity, guile, and ring generalship.

Resume wise, Hopkins takes the cake for systematically destroying so many HOF's.

Keep in mind how long B.Hop has been at the highest tiers of Boxing.

Frankly I'm surprised no one has accused him of doing steroids.

If somehow Pac stays in the game long enough to match B.Hops years, then maybe they'd be comparable.

Fact is B.Hops been in with them all due to his long years in boxing, but he's won big fights and lost big fights.

The only big fight Pac has ever lost was to Morales the first time.

There can be no denying that B.Hop is a legend of the game, but Pac is no slouch and will eventually have to fight a big name again.

A W over Mayweather or Martinez puts Pac in the higher echelon imo.

You can't say that Pacquiao has to have stay relevant into his 40's to match Hopkins. You can't judge fighters that way because so very few have ever done that. Pacquiao has already had a very long career with only two less fights than Hopkins. He has already shown longevity.