better resume..hopkins,pacman

[damned1974]

But when all is said and done, Pac has the better resume and has impressed people more with how he won.

THat is why Pac is FOTD i suppose. What pac has done is better than what BH has done if age isnt a factor. What BH has done better is that he has done it at an advanced age. But he cant get brownie points for draws with Pascal just cos hes old.

And Manny shouldn't get passes from facing certain fighters because they are too tall,because there is no height division.In fact,if he can fight in a deeper division like JWW,I am wondering why he doesn't (he wouldn't even have to weight drain himself or his opponents!).He was ok taking a fight with Tony to cheat history in the JMW division,but not man enough to fight any valid JMW fighters at that weight?

I don't even think that Hopkins had a draw with Pascal-that was crap,I thought he won the fight by at least a few rounds despite the knockdowns (the 1st kd was behind the head). If you can't give him credit for this win he should have had based on age,then I guess people like Foreman shouldn't get the amount of credit he has for beating Moorer...

Bottom line is,age does play a valid part because you always lose attributes, so it makes the wins that much better.

[damned1974]

Nobody said that. I think that Marg win is a solid win for Pacquaio and the Tito win isnt as amazing as people seem to think it is.

Titos mw resume:

Tito resume at mw is the following:
Joppy ko win: Joppy was a fringe contender at best
Hopkins ko loss: Dude lost every single round
Mayora win: Mayorga had no business at mw
Cherei Ko win: Cherifi was a journeyman
Winky ud loss: Dude got completely shut down again

Thats a record of 3-2 at mw. Both losses coming by complete shut out. All three wins over fringe contenders. The Tito win isn't as amazing as you guys like to think it is

Joppy has never beaten anyone above B- level
Mayorga was basically a C+ fighter at mw

lol at larry x

Dude-losing to Winky and Bernard is no shame-they outclassed him.It didn't seem like the weight mattered...Winky outskilled him as did Bernard (and then ko'd him).Please tell me how the weight had anything to do with this and not skill...

[RubenSonny]

I agree that Pac is close if not already in Top 10, while Hop is not, but this thread is emphasized more on the opponents (I think).

If we are to include achievements then Pac trumps Hopkins. Manny has won 3 Fighters of the year, 8 world titles in 8 weighclasses and is fighter of the decade........Hopkins has only 20 defenses to show.

[Seleção No. 13]

lol @ two wazaas on the poll.

[damned1974]

lol@ people thinking boxing writer's FOTY amounts to something on a resume! lol

[Ko King 212]

Thing is dude is dead azz serious.

[IronDanHamza]

Quote:
Originally Posted by -D33Pwaters-
Bernard hopkins is better but it's close. His title reign, best wins and consistency rank him higher.





Let me rephrase this in fact. Many boxing historians have Pac as the greateset fighter who ever lived based on his resume and how he beat some of those people on his resume.
So you think what BH has done makes him where people have Pac?

Lets assume those historians are wrong, but do you think BH deserves to be where people think Pac is?

Like who?

Everything is wrong about this statment and pretty much all of your posts.

[John Barron]

hugh grant will firmly tell you to jump into a volcano with him if he read 10 people claiming it's a great experience. it's the mindset of a mental midget sheep.

[Larry the boss]

classic thread

[hugh grant]

I don't even think that Hopkins had a draw with Pascal-that was crap,I thought he won the fight by at least a few rounds despite the knockdowns (the 1st kd was behind the head). If you can't give him credit for this win he should have had based on age,then I guess people like Foreman shouldn't get the amount of credit he has for beating Moorer...

Bottom line is,age does play a valid part because you always lose attributes, so it makes the wins that much better.

The strange thing with BH is that because hes good at 43 or whatever, he must have been phenomenal at 30 years of age, but it dont seem to work like that with BH.
He drew with whatsits name at 29 and then people say BH wasnt in his prime then? When was his prime then? When was the best ever BH cos im confused? Was he prime when he lost to JT?