better resume..hopkins,pacman

[Toney616]

someone posted mannys margo win is better than hopkins tito win????

Nobody said that. I think that Marg win is a solid win for Pacquaio and the Tito win isnt as amazing as people seem to think it is.

Titos mw resume:

Tito resume at mw is the following:
Joppy ko win: Joppy was a fringe contender at best
Hopkins ko loss: Dude lost every single round
Mayora win: Mayorga had no business at mw
Cherei Ko win: Cherifi was a journeyman
Winky ud loss: Dude got completely shut down again

Thats a record of 3-2 at mw. Both losses coming by complete shut out. All three wins over fringe contenders. The Tito win isn't as amazing as you guys like to think it is

Joppy has never beaten anyone above B- level
Mayorga was basically a C+ fighter at mw

lol at larry x

[RubenSonny]

What are the main deciding factors? Do they even check what the boxing experts say?

A lot of its based on their prediction of how many people will bet on the option, thus it changes so they won't lose money, there is an element of who they think will actually win but its definately not as relevant as some will make it out to be. A good example is the Haye-Valuev fight, Haye was the favourite in the UK while Valuev was the favourite in Germany, I'm sure if the megafight ever gets made Pac will be a big favourite in the Philippines and the numbers will look different elsewhere.

[Toney616]

A lot of its based on their prediction of how many people will bet on the option, thus it changes so they won't lose money, there is an element of who they think will actually win but its definately not as relevant as some will make it out to be. A good example is the Haye-Valuev fight, Haye was the favourite in the UK while Valuev was the favourite in Germany, I'm sure if the megafight ever gets made Pac will be a big favourite in the Philippines and the numbers will look different elsewhere.

thanks for the info

[bojangles1987]

oh cmon. you actually believe that? seriously?

are you saying that floyd fans DON'T make stuff up and defend it as fact?


the sad reality is that rabid pacfans and rabid floyd fans = same type of person.

another way of saying it is its the same coin, different sides.

OR

same type of fan, different boxer.

a more REALISTIC difference is that there are just MORE Pac fans than Floyd fans, simply because Pac is a fan friendly-type of athlete.

They are the same type of fan, definitely. It's just that Mayweather trolls don't say the type of insane things that Pacquiao trolls do as often as Pac trolls do.

[hugh grant]

Bernard hopkins is better but it's close. His title reign, best wins and consistency rank him higher.

People say Pac is higher echolons of ATG. So you are saying BH is in the leagues of top 10 ATG?

[Walt Liquor]

Joppy was a fringe contender at best?

Lol. Ok.

[hugh grant]

Quote:
Originally Posted by -D33Pwaters-
Bernard hopkins is better but it's close. His title reign, best wins and consistency rank him higher.

People say Pac is higher echolons of ATG. So you are saying BH is in the leagues of top 10 ATG?

Let me rephrase this in fact. Many boxing historians have Pac as the greateset fighter who ever lived based on his resume and how he beat some of those people on his resume.
So you think what BH has done makes him where people have Pac?

Lets assume those historians are wrong, but do you think BH deserves to be where people think Pac is?

[Walt Liquor]

lol
If the odds were based on stylistic matchups only then you would have a point, but they are not. They are heavily influenced by bets from fans, how the boxer looked in his last fight and all other factors. The fact that they can be so wrong, should tell you that they are nothing to really go by
Like who?
He is a defensive minded counter puncher a very bad match up for limited punchers like Pavlik, green Glen Johnson and Tito.
He was offered the following high risk fights:Calzaghe, Jones and Toney and he turned them all down

After Mosley im sure he will step up the level of competition

Doesnt matter, Pac resume is way above his

Hopkins has also tarnished himself badly. Jones II comes to mind

1) every odd line in any sport can be wrong. to think they are not an indicator of how the participants are perceived in competition is completely naive. sure, they aren't going to be right every time......but is it not fair to say that taking a fight against a guy who is a pretty heavy favorite by the odds to beat you is riskier than a fight against someone whom you would be the wide favorite to beat?

2) I would say that Pascal, Tarver, Pavlik, and JoCal are all riskier fights than any manny has had at the very least since he left 130. And thhe Roy JOnes fight is debatable as to whom turned that fight down, same with JoCal (who he did fight incidentally)

3) I am very much hoping that Manny will get back to his old ways as far as comp goes. But UI'm not sure if I believe you. Not all that impressed with the last 3 considering his other options that were available.

4) Pac's resume cannot be considered WAY above his. A good argument can be made for both, they both have very good resumes. Clearly the two best active resumes.

5) The Roy Jones fight does not tarnish his image as it was a clear money grab and a ****** fight to ever turn down. Just like any fight against oscar for any fighter can never be held against them.


Aren't you the guy that called glen johnson a journeyman?

[Vadrigar.]

People say Pac is higher echolons of ATG. So you are saying BH is in the leagues of top 10 ATG?

......

[Chups]

People say Pac is higher echolons of ATG. So you are saying BH is in the leagues of top 10 ATG?

I agree that Pac is close if not already in Top 10, while Hop is not, but this thread is emphasized more on the opponents (I think).

If we are to include achievements then Pac trumps Hopkins. Manny has won 3 Fighters of the year, 8 world titles in 8 weighclasses and is fighter of the decade........Hopkins has only 20 defenses to show.