better resume..hopkins,pacman

[Toney616]

and it doesn't makes Pac win over him any better, he hadn't proved anything since the Cotto fight and everything after it suggested he could no longer compete at world level, if he were to go on to do something significant it will make Pacs win over him look better....though I seriously doubt that will happen.

I think he holds his own against most jmw's. Only time will tell

[RubenSonny]

It's easy to criticize boxers whenever you want to, specially if you are only a fan of a certain boxer. Margarito did not fight the one legged *** or Mayorga, Margarito will fight the winner. You talk as if winning against an opponent is a bad thing.

I never said he fought Margarito and admit it was funny, you said I was downplaying Cotto. Its doesn't add to Pacs resume, his greatness hasn't changed from before that fight IMO and for the record I think Pac is greater than Bhop as I stated in the thread that was claiming that Bhop should be top 10 all time, which one fighter am I a fan of?

[Walt Liquor]

Off the top of my head:
Mosley 4-1 favorite to beat Winky
Hopkins 2-1 favorite to beat Taylor
Jones 8-1 favorite to beat Tarver II
Jones 10-1 favorite to beat Griffin
Tyson 4-1 favorite to beat Holyfield I

Betting odds dont really mean anything

If you don't think betting odds reflect the risk being taken by the underdog in the fight. You're hopeless. Point is that bhop will gladly take risks to prove himself vs fighters that most people think will beat him.

A lot of people hold those kinds of balls in high regards. Manny has not been doing that lately. AT ALL.

There's a wide gulf between the amount of risk bhop takes in his fights over the last couple of years compared to the other 2 best fighters of the last 15 yrs or so, that are still active. Very wide.

And manny is a certified badass. I like him a lot but his resumen is really being tarnished by his mayweatheresque recent run of competition.

[RubenSonny]

serious lol

RubenSonny Winner of the legendary green award

I think he holds his own against most jmw's. Only time will tell

Okay we will leave it at that.

[Larry the boss]

someone posted mannys margo win is better than hopkins tito win????

[Gutz]

someone posted mannys margo win is better than hopkins tito win????

That person needs to be banned for ******ity

[Vadrigar.]

someone posted mannys margo win is better than hopkins tito win????

he's drunk

[Larry the boss]

The only win that Pac has that's better than the Tito win is the Barrera win.

And, nobody mentions Pac win over Ledwaba, that's a very underrated win. Ledwaba was arguably the best 122 pound fighter at the time.

And, Pac took that fight on 3 weeks notice and destroyed Ledwaba.

[Toney616]

If you don't think betting odds reflect the risk being taken by the underdog in the fight. You're hopeless.

lol
If the odds were based on stylistic matchups only then you would have a point, but they are not. They are heavily influenced by bets from fans, how the boxer looked in his last fight and all other factors. The fact that they can be so wrong, should tell you that they are nothing to really go by

Point is that bhop will gladly take risks to prove himself vs fighters that most people think will beat him.

Like who?
He is a defensive minded counter puncher a very bad match up for limited punchers like Pavlik, green Glen Johnson and Tito.
He was offered the following high risk fights:Calzaghe, Jones and Toney and he turned them all down

A lot of people hold those kinds of balls in high regards. Manny has not been doing that lately. AT ALL.

After Mosley im sure he will step up the level of competition

There's a wide gulf between the amount of risk bhop takes in his fights over the last couple of years compared to the other 2 best fighters of the last 15 yrs or so, that are still active. Very wide.

Doesnt matter, Pac resume is way above his

And manny is a certified badass. I like him a lot but his resumen is really being tarnished by his mayweatheresque recent run of competition.

Hopkins has also tarnished himself badly. Jones II comes to mind

[Toney616]

They are purely based on whats the safest odds (in a financial respect) for the bookies.

What are the main deciding factors? Do they even check what the boxing experts say?