better resume..hopkins,pacman

[FeFist]

My natural reaction was to say Pacquiao but upon consideration I'm going to go with Hopkins.

[Walt Liquor]

This shouldn't even be up for debate.

Hopkins is great but why are people giving him credit for fights he lost?

Pascal, Calzaghe, Taylor etc.

Dude lost all of those bouts and people need to get over it. When looking at his resume, the only fights I use when comparing with other ATG's are Johnson, Trinidad, Pavlik, Tarver and maybe Winky Wright.

Pacquiao by a country mile.....

pac's wins would be barrera, morales, jmm, hatton and cotto I presume. is that correct?

and that's a country mile? (plus his consistency)

you get credit for certain losses because you are risking being great taking certain fights, I don't see pac rushing to fight a guy like jocal at the same point in his career (OBVIOUSLY). that is a plus for bhop. i don't see pac looking at all to fight someone like JT- young undefeated beast in his division more highly thought of than berto is and pac won't fight him.

[Walt Liquor]

But that's why his whole 'Title defenses' thing doesn't hold much weight.

20 defenses is impressive of course but then compare that to, again for example Monzon's 14 defences as THE champion, it's not even comparable.

Either way, its unheard of nowadays, and its impressive compared to jumping around and scooping u meaningless trinkets that you don't even defend.

[hugh grant]

Before you say BH, think about the fact that JC beat BH, so where does that leave JC?

Pac has fought and beat the better fighters and has on the most part been more dominant in the actual fights.

[RubenSonny]

he defended the linear title 6 times true..but they said"title"defenses..he defended the ibf title 20 times

Whats so good about that? The legitimate contenders he beat in that period is a plus ofcourse, but the IBF title doesn't add anything you can pick up one of those anywhere against anyone, however the real title does count for something.

[IronDanHamza]

Either way, its unheard of nowadays, and its impressive compared to jumping around and scooping u meaningless trinkets that you don't even defend.

Oh by all means he deserves a ton of credit for his 20 title defences regardless. That's the key reason I have him in my Top 10 Middleweights of all time.

But using it as a reasoning why he is greater than Monzon is ****** for the reason I highlighted. Among with many others.

[Ko King 212]

Before you say BH, think about the fact that JC beat BH, so where does that leave JC?

Pac has fought and beat the better fighters and has on the most part been more dominant in the actual fights.

Name them.....

[IronDanHamza]

Before you say BH, think about the fact that JC beat BH, so where does that leave JC?

Pac has fought and beat the better fighters and has on the most part been more dominant in the actual fights.

That would leave him behind him because he has a worse resume?

Seriously, why do you say **** like this?

What does beating someone in a H2H fight have to do with which fighter is greater?

Nothing.

[Larry the boss]

Before you say BH, think about the fact that JC beat BH, so where does that leave JC?

Pac has fought and beat the better fighters and has on the most part been more dominant in the actual fights.

and torrecampo beat manny so where does that leave him

[Larry the boss]

Whats so good about that? The legitimate contenders he beat in that period is a plus ofcourse, but the IBF title doesn't add anything you can pick up one of those anywhere against anyone, however the real title does count for something.

but can you defend it 20 times??