better resume..hopkins,pacman

[Larry the boss]

wow..400 replies????classic

[Walt Liquor]

Joppy best wins:
Howard Eastman- journeyman
Roberto Duran- shot/journeyman

Is this the resume of a top contender to you?

stop looking at boxrec.

Joppy was considered a strong titlist amongst boxing folks at the time, not sure if you remember. Journeymen don't defend their WBA middleweight titles like 5 times Iron Mike, then win it back.

What's your excuse for calling Glen Johnson a journeyman too?

Joppy did go to Japan and rip his belt. If you defend the WBA title 5 times, you were a contender. Even Cherifi is more than a journeyman. I'm not saying Joppy is a top middleweight titlist, but he was considered a strong guy and a contender at the time, and he WAS NOT a journeyman. He was a world class contender, but by no means elite.

[bojangles1987]

stop looking at boxrec.

Joppy was considered a strong titlist amongst boxing folks at the time, not sure if you remember. Journeymen don't defend their WBA middleweight titles like 5 times Iron Mike, then win it back.

What's your excuse for calling Glen Johnson a journeyman too?

Joppy did go to Japan and rip his belt. If you defend the WBA title 5 times, you were a contender. Even Cherifi is more than a journeyman. I'm not saying Joppy is a top middleweight titlist, but he was considered a strong guy and a contender at the time, and he WAS NOT a journeyman. He was a world class contender, but by no means elite.

Can't believe the hate for Joppy in this thread, though most of it seems to be coming from people who don't know what they are talking about. Dude was a very solid middleweight and was considered the second best behind Hopkins when Tito destroyed him.

[jrosales13]

First off-I never said it was a blatant robbery.Hey,I have seen worst.It was competitive,but imo Marquez won this.It didn't seem close enough to me to go Manny's way.

Likewise,I never said Manny's recent career was his WHOLE career.Don't put words in my mouth dude.

It is not silly to assume being an underdog is taking a risk or challenge.In fact,usually when the fighter is an underdog,there is a major risk assumed, because of certain factors (with Hopkins it is usually because his age,his opponent is faster/more athletic,or stronger,etc).The connection between being an underdog and the fight being a potential risk is not outlandish by any logic.

Well if it didn't seem close enough to you to go to Pac way. Then it was a blatant robbery. If there is no way Pac won that fight then it's a blatant robbery. You're just contradicting yourself.

Well then start talking about other things that Manny does. So far in our back-to-forth all you have mention is his recent string.

Then Oscar was Pac last real challenge and risky fight. That's what you're saying right?

[Walt Liquor]

Can't believe the hate for Joppy in this thread, though most of it seems to be coming from people who don't know what they are talking about. Dude was a very solid middleweight and was considered the second best behind Hopkins when Tito destroyed him.

yea, they weren't really around at the time. not like us old folks

[Walt Liquor]

Well if it didn't seem close enough to you to go to Pac way. Then it was a blatant robbery. If there is no way Pac won that fight then it's a blatant robbery. You're just contradicting yourself.

Well then start talking about other things that Manny does. So far in our back-to-forth all you have mention is his recent string.

Then Oscar was Pac last real challenge and risky fight. That's what you're saying right?

anyone saying pac jmm was a robbery is not worth g=having a discussion with

[jrosales13]

That's true to an extent though.Because when U talk about that in this tread especially,U leave an open window for a brutal attack on Pacman.Because B-Hop was the champion defending a title period.

No you don't. Because, is obvious I was talking lineage. And, neither the Diaz nor the Marg win were lineage. So unless you're going to mention his lineage victories. You have no leg to stand on.

While Pacman at 135 & at 154 title fights were worse than any B-Hop title defense.

Yes, B-hop win over Marrade Hakkar is better than the Diaz and Marg win



Please stop posting about Pac, you lose credibility by the day.

[jrosales13]

When Hopkins fought Joppy, you can say that Joppy was contender.

However, when Tito fought Joppy, Joppy was at worse the 2nd best MW at the time. Some thought thee best.

And, the way Tito destroyed Joppy is what made the Hopkins win over Tito so damn good.

Pac Barrera win is the only win Pac has that can be ranked higher than that Tito win for B-Hop.

[Ryannn]

i think the ledwaba and sasakul wins are at par if not better than the hatton and cotto win

[IMDAZED]

Pacquiao and it's not very close.