better resume..hopkins,pacman

[jrosales13]

The only win that Pac has that's better than the Tito win is the Barrera win.

And, nobody mentions Pac win over Ledwaba, that's a very underrated win. Ledwaba was arguably the best 122 pound fighter at the time.

And, Pac took that fight on 3 weeks notice and destroyed Ledwaba.

[Toney616]

how are you going to say JMM is a better win than trinidad?

Pacquiao barely sc****d by JMM two times. Hopkins destroyed an undefeated Trinidad who was a 7-1 favorite to win the fight.

Trinidad >>>>>>>>>>>> JMM

Betting odds dont mean anything Tyson was 42-1 favorite to beat Douglas and look what happened there.

Going into that fight JMM had a win over MAB, which is a much better win than Tito's win over Joppy(Fringe contender). After his loss to Pacquaio he moved up and beat Casamajor and Diaz. In other words he had a better win in that division and more left in the Tank than Tito did.
JMM>>>>>>>>>>Tito

Also you don't include Glen Johnson on there, if anything Glen Johnson >>>>> Clottey.

Glen Johnson was a green contender who would basically become a journeyman at smw
Clottey>>>>>>>>Johnson

And hatton better than Pavlik? Pavlik also an undefeated fighter who was a 4-1 favorite over hopkins. Hatton had already been KO'd and Pac was a heavy favorite to win.

Pacman moved up to beat Hatton, while Pavlik had to move up 2 division to fight Hopkins. Both Hatton and Pavlik are B class fighter and imo beating a bigger B class fighter is better than fighting a smaller B class fighter

It's close either way though, two of my favorites.

Pacquaios best wins are over guys much bigger than himself, while bhops best wins are over guys smaller than himself

[Larry the boss]

Betting odds dont mean anything Tyson was 42-1 favorite to beat Douglas and look what happened there.

Going into that fight JMM had a win over MAB, which is a much better win than Tito's win over Joppy(Fringe contender). After his loss to Pacquaio he moved up and beat Casamajor and Diaz. In other words he had a better win in that division and more left in the Tank than Tito did.
JMM>>>>>>>>>>Tito

Glen Johnson was a green contender who would basically become a journeyman at smw
Clottey>>>>>>>>Johnson

Pacman moved up to beat Hatton, while Pavlik had to move up 2 division to fight Hopkins. Both Hatton and Pavlik are B class fighter and imo beating a bigger B class fighter is better than fighting a smaller B class fighter

Pacquaios best wins are over guys much bigger than himself, while bhops best wins are over guys smaller than himself

thats his point..that makes it a great win

[Toney616]

The only win that Pac has that's better than the Tito win is the Barrera win.

And, nobody mentions Pac win over Ledwaba, that's a very underrated win. Ledwaba was arguably the best 122 pound fighter at the time.

And, Pac took that fight on 3 weeks notice and destroyed Ledwaba.

What about the Jmm win? The Margarito win is also a solid win imo. He beat Margarito to win his 8 world title

Tito resume at mw is the following:
Joppy ko win- Joppy was a fringe contender at best
Hopkins ko loss- Dude lost every single round
Mayora win- Mayorga had no business at mw
Cherei Ko win- Cherifi was a journeyman
Winky ud loss- Dude got completely shut down again

Thats a record of 3-2 at mw. Both losses coming by complete shut out. Both wins over fringe contenders. The Tito win isn't as amazing as you guys like to think it is

[Bushbaby]

And, when people start saying that, is when the argument comes in that is not really 20 title defenses.

Hager nor Monzon had the benefit of fighting during the 4 belt era...If they did then maybe who knows, how many title defenses they would of had.

So to say nobody has ever done it is misleading. Because, Monzon has what? 14 title defenses of being THEE champion. Double of what Hopkins has at MW

That's true to an extent though.Because when U talk about that in this tread especially,U leave an open window for a brutal attack on Pacman.Because B-Hop was the champion defending a title period.While Pacman at 135 & at 154 title fights were worse than any B-Hop title defense.

[RubenSonny]

What about the Margarito win?

C'mon, he was unranked and badly faded, and hadn't prove he could fight at the top level since Cotto fight, it can be argued that the Marquez win was better but it obviously depends how you saw the fight, it will always be clouded with controversy.

[SplitSecond]

wow..jmm>tito??hell ane he got a draw and a split dec..hopkins destroyed an undefeated tito

hatton>pavlik??hell naw hatton was already brutalized by floyd..pavlik was undefeated and heavily favored

glenn johnson>>clottey

dont twist it..those hopkins wins were better and manny also has better wins...theres an argument for both but your post was horrible man

wtf man seriousl, pavlik fought noone, hatton is underrated, he only lost to the p4p 1 fighter, his resume shts on pavliks and pacquiao beat him in his weight class

also glen johnson clottey? the glen johnson hop fought is not the glen johnson we know and love i hope you know that, that johnson had fought no one whatsoever and had a COMPLETELY different style

and clottey doesn't suck as much as his kryptonite is high workrate

[Toney616]

thats his point..that makes it a great win

Off the top of my head:
Mosley 4-1 favorite to beat Winky
Hopkins 2-1 favorite to beat Taylor
Jones 8-1 favorite to beat Tarver II
Jones 10-1 favorite to beat Griffin
Tyson 4-1 favorite to beat Holyfield I

Betting odds dont really mean anything

[Bushbaby]

What about the Margarito win?

That was probably his worse championship win,ever.

[RubenSonny]

Off the top of my head:
Mosley 4-1 favorite to beat Winky
Hopkins 2-1 favorite to beat Taylor
Jones 8-1 favorite to beat Tarver II
Jones 10-1 favorite to beat Griffin
Tyson 4-1 favorite to beat Holyfield I

Betting odds dont really mean anything

They are purely based on whats the safest odds (in a financial respect) for the bookies.