Comments Thread For: Froch: I'll Pay Showtime 250k, Johnson Bout in Nottingham!

[Who are you?]

What about Andre Ward, he gets everything at home?

Wtf?

[Dave Rado]

Yea Froch is a champion, fought for a belt against Abraham whose last fight was also a loss. explain this close fights are not robberies? that's when you see a robbery, when its clear the other fighter won enough rounds even.if its only 7-5. For instance the Dirrell - Froch, clear robbery but it was a split D, Kessler- Froch, robbery, now that was Frochs fault for not dominating Kessler like he should had and allowing a "close" fight to get robbed of. Johnson is Jamaican and has been robbed enough in America let alone going into Frochs backyard.

You have simply no idea what the word "robbery" means.

Scoring a fight is always a matter of opinion - it's not based on punch stats or on anything that can be measured objectively; and unless one fighter totally dominates (which by definition is never the case in a very close fight), then there will always be some rounds which can validly be scored either way, and in that case, whichever fighter gets the nod, it is not a robbery, because all it takes is for one round to be scored differently from the way you scored it to change the result, in a very close fight. And there is always at least one round in any close fight that could be scored either way.

And both fights you named are really silly examples - there were plenty of respected boxing experts who scored those fights the same way the judges scored them. In the case of the Dirrell fight, there were more who scored it the other way, but they only scored it to Dirrell by a very narrow margin, which means by definition that it cannot be called not a robbery. Anyone who calls it that is simply abusing the English language.

Casamayor-Santa Cruz - now that was a robbery. And it was in the US.

And the judges and ref in this fight will all be from neutral countries, regardless of where it's held, which has not been the case in most of Johnson's previous fights.

[Dave Rado]

damn just when i think im about to become a froch fan and then he does something like this and acts like a total prick.

If you think that being loyal to your fans makes you a total prick, then you are not a boxing fan.

[Rome-By-Ko]

You have simply no idea what the word "robbery" means.

Scoring a fight is always a matter of opinion - it's not based on punch stats or on anything that can be measured objectively; and unless one fighter totally dominates (which by definition is never the case in a very close fight), then there will always be some rounds which can validly be scored either way, and in that case, whichever fighter gets the nod, it is not a robbery, because all it takes is for one round to be scored differently from the way you scored it to change the result, in a very close fight. And there is always at least one round in any close fight that could be scored either way.

And both fights you named are really silly examples - there were plenty of respected boxing experts who scored those fights the same way the judges scored them. In the case of the Dirrell fight, there were more who scored it the other way but only they only scored it to Dirrell very narrowly, which means by definition that it cannot be called not a robbery. Anyone who calls it that is simply abusing the English language.

Casamayor-Santa Cruz - now that was a robbery. And it was in the US.

And the judges and ref in this fight will all be from neutral countries, regardless of where it's held, which has not been the case in most of Johnson's previous fights.

Just wanted to add Hoya Strum was also a robbery..

[LeadUppercut]

Have it in Nottingham (for thr crowd, and so I can go) but let Showtime select the judges and ref.

Best suggestion I've heard so far.

[LeadUppercut]

I like Froch, but he signed the contracts getting into the super 6 and knew that the locations would vary from fight to fight. If they except his money and have the fight in his backyard it would make the super 6 look like a joke, I want it my way so heres some money. He knew what he was getting into so man up and go through with the contract as it was written....Rockin'

Can't argue with that.

[LeadUppercut]

Since when did Nottingham become a venue known for robberies? Dirrell lost to Froch because he fought like a ***** and now everyone is talking about Nottingham as though its Las Vegas.

Agreed, and like iJohn Locke suggested earlier, shotime could select the officials.... but the main issue seems to lie with Froch changing the rules to suit himself after the fact, simply by making a "donation" to shotime to help cover the expenses. Froch should have to battle through this one, in the US.

[-Kev-]

Johnson's been robbed so many times, just let the old man lose fair and square. Froch beating Johnson without controversy in US, will speak volumes. Nottingham is not a very good place to fight in. The Pascal-Froch scores were very wide when in fact that was a close fight, and I thought Dirrell beat Froch and you saw that outcome. Nottingham should be avoided along with Germany for boxing fights.

[daggum]

why don't they just have froch fight in nottingham and johnson fight in the usa? problem solved!

[Bhopreign]

In other words Froch is saying I'll pay 250k for a hometown decision.