Cotto will leave a greater legacy in the sport than Mayweather!

[Iceta Lives]

I don't like Cotto or Mayweather, but Floyd has the way better resume. Scraping by Clottey and getting beat by Margarito are both black marks against Cotto in my view. Cotto has fought the better comp maybe slightly. But not by much. Cotto has lots of slugs on his resume too, but people won't admit it because Cotto is the biggest sympathy case on this web site.

[IronDanHamza]

Cotto - Notable wins

KO'd undefeated Maussa

KO'd Bailey

KO'd Torres

Beat Mallignaggi

Stopped Quintana

KO'd Judah

Beat Mosley

Beat Clottey

Beat Foreman

He has only lost to Margarito (who most likely cheated in their fight) and Pacquiao (who is the greatest fighter in the sport).

Mayweather Notable wins

KO'd Corrales

Beat Castillo

Beat Judah

Beat De La Hoya (SD)

KO'd Hatton

Beat Marquez (Marquez was blown up, and Floyd came in over the limit)

Beat Mosley (who was old and coming off a long layoff)

Has consistently avoided the no1 p4p boxer in the sport Pacquiao, while Cotto fought against him valiantly.

In my opinion Cotto >>>>> Mayweather

You're counting Randall Bailey, Ricardo Torres, Carlos Maussa and Pauli Malignaggi for Cotto and not including Hernandez, Chavez, Manfredy and Gatti for Floyd? Why is this?

Why not just throw in Corley and N'dou for Cotto aswell? They're about the same level as Maussa and Torres.

You include people Cotto beat at 140 who weren't in the Top 10 at 140 when he beat them yet don't include Gatti for Floyd who was #1 at 140? (Other than the Lineal Champion)

Seems a tad biased. And lets be honest. Mayweather is clearly greater than Cotto.

[BetterCallSaul]

Even though 4 out of the 5 weight classes he won a title were off the fighter ranked #1? (Occasionaly excluding the Lineal Champion) And the other one was a Top 5 fighter?

Hernandez, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya.

Out of all of those, only Castillo and De La Hoya stand out as quality wins. Any world class boxer beats Judah, and Gatti and Hernandez were nothing more than place holders.

Rankings are deceiving.

[IronDanHamza]

Hernandez, Castillo, Gatti, Judah, De La Hoya.

Out of all of those, only Castillo and De La Hoya stand out as quality wins. Any world class boxer beats Judah, and Gatti and Hernandez were nothing more than place holders.

Rankings are deceiving.

Well Hernandez is arguablly the most quality win on his resume so that's a strange comment he was the Lineal Champion at 130 during a dominant title reign. And Corales was #1 at 130 when he fought him too

Castillo was unquestionably #1 at 135 both times

Gatti was #1 at 140 other than the Lineal Champion due to his recent run in form.

2 time Lineal Champ at WW.

Oscar was Top 5.

Slightly more than Cotto has done.

[DUCK FACE]

You mention the like of Maussa and Quintana. But you don't mention a guy like Hernandez (??) or the like of Jesus Chavez (undefeated in 6 years at the time, future title-holder), who are both better fighters (especially Hernandez) than relative junk like Foreman (carefully guided to a crap-strap and was never actually very good at world level).

Yours is not a thorough breakdown of the merits of each man's record, and especially not of Floyd's.


Plus, a lot of the 'best wins' you have noted for Floyd >>> Cotto's 'best wins'.

• Stopping Chicanito in your first title fight >>> stopping Bailey
  
  
• Jesus Chavez >>> stopping Maussa
  
  
• Stopping undefeated Corrales >>> stopping undefeated Quintana
  
  
• Two wins over Castillo, who was on an excellent lightweight run >>> stopping Torres
  
  
• DLH >>> Foreman; noting the split-decision as if its credible shows you up -- I could show myself up by pointing to Foreman's crippled knee as if Cotto wouldn't have wrecked him just the same, but I won't -- and the judging, of course, was skewed for De La Hoya, just like all the terms of the fight were, but he still couldn't get their nod, which should tell you something about how clearly Floyd won that boxing match
  
  
• Stopping a very live, vicious Hatton quite arguably >>> scraping by an undynamic choker in Clottey
  
  
• Better performance against Mosley; you can argue the age issue (just don't forget that Floyd fought a younger Judah), but I could argue back that Floyd fought a Mosley who was rejuvenated from the flagging version Cotto met -- ultimately, Floyd's performance was much more impressive

I like Cotto, too, but,

Cotto will not leave a greater Legacy. Cotto doesn't have the stronger ledger. And many objective, knowledgeable "true boxing fans" (and historians) will agree with me on that.

This man speaks the truth.. i thought this was a bait thread when i first read the title.. Cotto is a good fighter and has some good wins. However Floyd is superior in both resume and in his boxing ability

[BetterCallSaul]

You're counting Randall Bailey, Ricardo Torres, Carlos Maussa and Pauli Malignaggi for Cotto and not including Hernandez, Chavez, Manfredy and Gatti for Floyd? Why is this?

Why not just throw in Corley and N'dou for Cotto aswell? They're about the same level as Maussa and Torres.

You include people Cotto beat at 140 who weren't in the Top 10 at 140 when he beat them yet don't include Gatti for Floyd who was #1 at 140? (Other than the Lineal Champion)

Seems a tad biased. And lets be honest. Mayweather is clearly greater than Cotto.

Listing Hernandez, Manfredy, and Gatti would have only added to my point. Bailey, Torres, and Mallignaggi are all superior fighters.

[IronDanHamza]

Listing Hernandez, Manfredy, and Gatti would have only added to my point. Bailey, Torres, and Mallignaggi are all superior fighters.

No, they aren't.

[JRB123]

hmmm...

This man speaks the truth.. i thought this was a bait thread when i first read the title.. Cotto is a good fighter and has some good wins. However Floyd is superior in both resume and in his boxing ability

You know, I wonder if they could have made a similar comparison between Tito and B-Hop if they never fought...That is what this thread kind of reminds me of...

[BetterCallSaul]

Let's just go back for a minute. I respect Floyd's earlier career. He achieved some good things and beat some decent fighters, but since 2002 he has done very little to convince me that his resume is among the best in the sport. It probably isn't even top 5. Pacquaio, Cotto, Froch, Hopkins, Marquez, and Martinez have all taken bigger risks, and have all beaten some very accomplished fighters. Considering Floyd is regarded as one of the top fighters in the sport, I'm not hugely impressed by any of his victories post Castillo. Let's face it, his p4p ranking is based upon his flashy defensive skills, even though they haven't been tested against a legitimate threat in a long, long, time.

Hell, if he fought today's Cotto at JMW, I would ring his praises. But I doubt he would take even that risk. He will most likely come back and fight Khan, Hatton, or Spadafora.

[RubenSonny]

Floyds resume after 2nd Castillo fight > Cotto Resume.