In Boxing, Which Nationality is most respected?

[RubenSonny]

This was the quote Cuban quoted.

Why in the hell would anyone say Cuba is the most respected nation in boxing. Cuba has never been relevant in boxing and still to this day really only has 6 or 7 fighters to look out for. How many great fighters can you name from Cuba? Cuba is on the rise but to say they are the most respected I have to call you out or whoever else who thinks that and ask why? What has Cuba done to prove to you that they should be more respected than nations like America and Mexico who have been at the top of the sport for 100 years or even countries like P.R., England, or Japan. Hell, Ghana should be more respected than Cuba. Cuba has sooooooo long to go.

This was his response to the post which I quoted and referred to the poster he had quoted (not you).

As I stated in an earlier post, I consider the US the greatest boxing country and Mexico the most "respected". A few posters have mentioned Cuba. I don't agree, but I understand. Cuba's current reputation as a boxing nation is probably attributable to its long dominance in the amateurs, and its exportation of coaches.

That being said, your highlighted statement is absolutely wrong. No offense, but it shows ignorance of pro boxing history. Kid Chocolate was a Cuban boxer who enjoyed wild acclaim, in and out of the ring, as far back as the 1930s. Kid Gavilan was another Cuban who enjoyed similar accolades during the 1950s. Their celebrity is made all the more impressive by the fact that they were black Cubans in an age of terrible discrimination in the US. "Sugar" Ramos and Jose Napoles were great Cuban boxers that were forced to leave for Mexico after Fidel Castro took power. Their careers saw their heyday in the 1960s. All of these men are ATGs; in the case of Chocolate and Gavilan, absolute legends.

Now we have a few potential stars in Gamboa, Rigondeaux and Lara. Joel Casamayor might also be included with the current crop of Cubans, although he defected some time ago. "El Cepillo" can be argued to have had a HOF career, despite wasting many years in the Cuban system. So, it could be some time before Cubans regain past glory; but history confirms Cuba as a very respectable boxing nation.

This is my response to the Cubans quote.

Other notables include Valdes, Kid Charol, Florentino Fernandez, Casa and Hurtardo, that guys post was pretty ignorant.

Edit: add to that Paret, Legra, Tunero and Luis Rodriguez (one of the finest welters of all time).

Do you get it now?

i thought you were referring to my post as ignorant, and i asked you why and you responded with a manufactured quote.

where you referring to me in the first place? and if so, why would you falsely quote me? I have never said that cuba was irrelevant, which obviously would be ignorant. My statement which is 100% true is that Cuba has produced many amatuer standouts, but relatively few outstanding pros. is it because of the political system? no one can say for sure

[MonsieurGeorges]

Bill, if this is something you "know a great deal about," then you should already know many of the answers to your questions. If you'd like my input on the situation in Cuba, okay....

Despite some of the BS propaganda socialist sympathizers would have you believe, most people in Cuba would love to get out. It's not because they don't love their land; it's because they have no freedom (something many of us take for granted). Having no freedom, they suffer from economic privation. They suffer from shortages of all kinds, including food and clothing.

If the average Cuban wants out, what do you think the athlete with professional ability thinks? If you could throw a 105 mph fastball, like the Cuban Aroldis Chapman of the Cincinnati Reds, you'd want to get paid for it, no? The same goes for the boxers. Most know they'll get paid good money to do something they're been doing for free their whole lives.

Cubans had their share of world champs before Castro; but he shut the door to athletes in 1959. That's why the last great Cuban boxers fought their last in the early seventies. Guys like Napoles and Ramos left Cuba when Castro outlawed professional sports. The recent wave of recent Cuban defectors have yet to truly make their presence felt in the pros. However, Gamboa and Rigondeaux already hold belts and are potential superstars in the making. Rome wasn't built in a day, neither was Havana.

trust me I have my personal opinions. I'm attempting to not tell YOU about your country, just trying to be sensitive to the culture and not come off like a know it all. i'm not looking to tell anyone whats what on a boxing forum

you mentioned castro, how do you believe the situation will change after he's gone?

[CubanGuyNYC]

trust me I have my personal opinions. I'm attempting to not tell YOU about your country, just trying to be sensitive to the culture and not come off like a know it all. i'm not looking to tell anyone whats what on a boxing forum

you mentioned castro, how do you believe the situation will change after he's gone?

That would require a very long answer; so, I'll limit my reply as it concerns the athletes.

Cuban athletes will benefit more than anyone. They have in-demand skills that they'll be handsomely compensated for. There are many talented baseball players and boxers that'll benefit from early exposure to the professional ranks. People wonder why some of the few Cuban athletes that arrive in the US don't live up to expectations. I think the major reason is because they've competed their entire lives against lesser opposition. In order to be the best, you have to compete against the best. No way around that one....

[lefthook2daliva]

Question : which country has produced the majority of top 10 atg fighters?

That should answer your question.

[MonsieurGeorges]

This was the quote Cuban quoted.



This was his response to the post which I quoted and referred to the poster he had quoted (not you).



This is my response to the Cubans quote.



Do you get it now?

oh i've had it don't worry

me and cuban are discussing something kind of controversial, so you see why I thought you were calling me ignorant when you actually meant that guy check was ignorant. the thing is earlier you claimed that I replied to cuban because I was in dispute of his post, which is simply not the case and also proves you were confused as to what each of us was trying to communicate, so don't condescending ask me if I get it now when you had also misinterpreted a post

[reneg_2]

This is true bro and yet, perhaps it is due to economics and citizenship, but the hatred from the Mexican side is out of this world. PRs get along with EVERYBODY. We are laid-back and humble for the most part. Ask anyone who has gone to PR and they will tell you how hospitable and generous the Puerto Rican people are. Unfortunately, A lot of Mexicans come here with BS perceptions about others including blacks. Everybody is lazy to them and everybody else is a criminal except for Mexicans. It's the crabs in a barrel mindset. Nobody fights for the Gringo's love like a Mexican. I suspect this is the mentality. Kinda like a child fighting for his dad's affection...learning to despise his brothers in the process. Just look at what Margarito did with the plaster wraps. He recently said next time he "will KILL Cotto." How much hatred, and backwards thinking does that take? Mexicans are very much in tune with their love of death as practiced by their ancestors. It's a dark and vicious/hateful culture and it shows all to often in the ring and even in these very threads.



Maybe this is how they bond to one another, I don't know. But you'd be kidding yourself if you think PRs hate Mexicans man. We may respond to their BS here, but overall, we are a happy group who are too busy loving who we are to hate anybody.

dude...come on, you're smarter than that...you're insanely BIASED. i ain't even gonna waste my time anymore. you're just as big a hater as the people you call out. nuff said.

moving on.

[MonsieurGeorges]

That would require a very long answer; so, I'll limit my reply as it concerns the athletes.

Cuban athletes will benefit more than anyone. They have in-demand skills that they'll be handsomely compensated for. There are many talented baseball players and boxers that'll benefit from early exposure to the professional ranks. People wonder why some of the few Cuban athletes that arrive in the US don't live up to expectations. I think the major reason is because they've competed their entire lives against lesser opposition. In order to be the best, you have to compete against the best. No way around that one....

thats true. i think a lot of the expectations they have are pretty unrealistic. it seems like competing down there would give you a totally different outlook, I've noticed people many communist or formerly communist parts of the world seem to think about success in much more collectivist way then we do in the states.

[CubanGuyNYC]

thats true. i think a lot of the expectations they have are pretty unrealistic. it seems like competing down there would give you a totally different outlook, I've noticed people many communist or formerly communist parts of the world seem to think about success in much more collectivist way then we do in the states.

There are a lot of unrealistic expectations. Cubans will merely stake their rightful claim in whatever sports they participate in. Obviously, the sports they'll gravitate to are baseball and boxing. They'll do well, but I don't think they'll dominate. I just want to see them get a chance.

[sdcluser]

I respect the nationality of skillz.

[D-Omonist]

I respect the nationality of skillz.

^Agreed! Good post!