In Boxing, Which Nationality is most respected?

[MonsieurGeorges]

"Cuba has never been relevant in boxing" How is that not ignorant?

are you writing quotes for me?

[RubenSonny]

are you writing quotes for me?

No thats from the guy Cuban quoted and referred to as ignorant, you disputed his post was ignorant, no?

[CubanGuyNYC]

Other notables include Valdes, Kid Charol, Florentino Fernandez, Casa and Hurtardo, that guys post was pretty ignorant.

Edit: add to that Paret and Luis Rodriguez (one of the finest welters of all time).

Thanks for bringing up some other names, Ruben. I just wanted to mention some of the better known Cuban boxers, without getting too deep. The point was that Cubans were big in boxing, before Castro came along. Our time will come again.

[MonsieurGeorges]

Saying that someone's "in the dark" isn't an offensive statement; at least, it wasn't intended to be. I appreciate your empathy. But what you wrote in your previous post, and in this one, indicate that you simply have little understanding of what's really going on in Cuba.

"Internalizing the communist ideals" is a topic for another post. I'm simply pointing out that Cuban people, not just athletes, can't leave their country at will. Very few Cuban boxers have made their way to freedom. Most of the ones that do spent their primes in the amateurs. They come here and are expected by many to dominate the way they did in the ams. It's unrealistic, even if they train like Spartans. The very best need to train like madmen to be stars.

this is something i know a great deal about but it's all from the outside looking in, I'm wording my posts in a way where I want to get YOU to tell me about it, as someone with ties to the country. I'm not trying to parade around my knowledge here, I'm trying to gain perspective. how do most cuban people feel about the government down there?

I do believe communist ideals are very close to heart of it. they have different ideas and goals. you say they can't leave their country at will, but do they want to? do they yearn for that "western" kind of success or do they ultimately want just want to bring glory to the state, in your opinion?

[PunchesNbuncheS]

To all my good hearted boricuas on here I have nothing but respect and love for you and because of people like you I will not talk **** about all boricuas and for border patrol......GOD bless you homie and this is coming from a Mexican. I'm light skinned but so what? Does that make me better than a person who isn't? Does having Native blood somehow make you less human or make you less than a European? I'm not going to inform you on the difference between nationality and race because I'm sure you know. You seem to know alot about alot of different subjects so I can tell that you're smart. You claim to look at things from a psychological perspective so that takes intelligence so im wondering how with all that intelligence you haven't been able to figure out that you suffer from the worst sickness humanity has..........deep rooted hatred in your soul!

GOD bless you & I mean that!

[MonsieurGeorges]

No thats from the guy Cuban quoted and referred to as ignorant, you disputed his post was ignorant, no?

i thought you were referring to my post as ignorant, and i asked you why and you responded with a manufactured quote.

where you referring to me in the first place? and if so, why would you falsely quote me? I have never said that cuba was irrelevant, which obviously would be ignorant. My statement which is 100% true is that Cuba has produced many amatuer standouts, but relatively few outstanding pros. is it because of the political system? no one can say for sure

[MonsieurGeorges]

In short, no you are mistaken

[MonsieurGeorges]

To all my good hearted boricuas on here I have nothing but respect and love for you and because of people like you I will not talk **** about all boricuas and for border patrol......GOD bless you homie and this is coming from a Mexican. I'm light skinned but so what? Does that make me better than a person who isn't? Does having Native blood somehow make you less human or make you less than a European? I'm not going to inform you on the difference between nationality and race because I'm sure you know. You seem to know alot about alot of different subjects so I can tell that you're smart. You claim to look at things from a psychological perspective so that takes intelligence so im wondering how with all that intelligence you haven't been able to figure out that you suffer from the worst sickness humanity has..........deep rooted hatred in your soul!

GOD bless you & I mean that!

what the **** are you talking about?

do you think that me and borderpatrol are the same guy

[CubanGuyNYC]

this is something i know a great deal about but it's all from the outside looking in, I'm wording my posts in a way where I want to get YOU to tell me about it, as someone with ties to the country. I'm not trying to parade around my knowledge here, I'm trying to gain perspective. how do most cuban people feel about the government down there?

I do believe communist ideals are very close to heart of it. they have different ideas and goals. you say they can't leave their country at will, but do they want to? do they yearn for that "western" kind of success or do they ultimately want just want to bring glory to the state, in your opinion?

Bill, if this is something you "know a great deal about," then you should already know many of the answers to your questions. If you'd like my input on the situation in Cuba, okay....

Despite some of the BS propaganda socialist sympathizers would have you believe, most people in Cuba would love to get out. It's not because they don't love their land; it's because they have no freedom (something many of us take for granted). Having no freedom, they suffer from economic privation. They suffer from shortages of all kinds, including food and clothing.

If the average Cuban wants out, what do you think the athlete with professional ability thinks? If you could throw a 105 mph fastball, like the Cuban Aroldis Chapman of the Cincinnati Reds, you'd want to get paid for it, no? The same goes for the boxers. Most know they'll get paid good money to do something they're been doing for free their whole lives.

Cubans had their share of world champs before Castro; but he shut the door to athletes in 1959. That's why the last great Cuban boxers fought their last in the early seventies. Guys like Napoles and Ramos left Cuba when Castro outlawed professional sports. The recent wave of recent Cuban defectors have yet to truly make their presence felt in the pros. However, Gamboa and Rigondeaux already hold belts and are potential superstars in the making. Rome wasn't built in a day, neither was Havana.

[BTL]

Does anyone here live in Cuba?