Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez Rips Pacquiao: "He Fights No-Hopers"

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oh ok so you changed your whole argument from he made the same fighting baldomir to he wanted a delahoya fight. i actually agree with that argument. he didn't want to risk losing against margarito for 8 million but he knew baldomir was a guaranteed win so he made a quick 8 million while waiting for delahoya. too bad he never went back to welterweight and fought the best fighters there instead fighting mosley and marquez so he could pretend he beat those guys through triangle theory.

All of it played a factor. Floyd left Arum because he didn't want to make a fight with De La Hoya. My point is that, if Arum would have been able to guarantee the Oscar De La Hoya fight, then Floyd would have been down to fight Cotto/Margarito because that was apart of the counter offer he made to Bob Arum if he wanted Floyd to fight Margarito. Arum said that he wasn't interested in Floyd's counter offer, so Floyd bounced from Arum to get the fight with Oscar. The only way we would know that Floyd would have ducked them both is if Arum would have guaranteed Floyd the Oscar fight and then he still back out. I also used the Margarito/Williams situation because it's the same thing. Margarito wanted Cotto and not Williams because Cotto was a bigger fight but Williams was Margarito's mandatory and Margarito didn't want to get stripped, so he fought him. Margarito wasn't scared of Williams but rather wanted a bigger fight like Floyd. Baldomir was the Lineal champion and Floyd got the same purse to fight him that he was offered Margarito. You wouldn't have taken it? On top of that! Once Floyd left Top Rank for Oscar. Oscar decided not to fight Floyd right away and that left Floyd without a fight. So basically Baldomir was a fill in because Floyd was supposed to go directly to the Oscar fight.

[Roja's480]

I like Martinez but he is getting annoying with this jealousy driven rants against Pac. This guy hasn't even fought the caliber of opponents that Pac has faced. The best fighter he has beat is williams who is nothing but a punching bag.

and im getting tired of you telling us that u ride pac all day lol just me starting more ****

[Pullcounter]

Pac is doing that himself, Sergio was just voicing his opinion out of concern.

martinez cries as much as JMM does

[Frighteous]

pac wont fight the best. neither will floyd though. neither did srl. he waited for hagler to get weaker then pounced.

everyone hides

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pac wont fight the best. neither will floyd though. neither did srl. he waited for hagler to get weaker then pounced.

everyone hides

Maybe, but Pac has made an art-form out of hiding behind weak excuses.

Team Pacquiao:
Making weak excuses, and manipulating advantages, since 2008.

[keynine]

You guys just don't do research or follow the sport in detail, so I'll post it again.

Honestly I thank you for your info on that..

My point is this:
1. FMJ demands 7M for a risky boxer like Hatton
2. he demands 8M for a more risky boxer like Margs
3. he demands 10M for a strong very risky Cotto
4. Lastly I don't want to fight Paquiao coz i have a slim chance but if the price is right(100M) i'm going to dance with him on the ring

Economics can't answer a 100M demand for sure, way too imposible unless none left for the promoter, networks, pacquiao, referee, and etc...

Even on the figures of 10M at that time frame is a constricted budget and only a few dollars will be left for the other parties considering Arum is a greedy beacht. Considering at that time frame there are so manny attractions at heavier weights

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Honestly I thank you for your info on that..

My point is this:
1. FMJ demands 7M for a risky boxer like Hatton
2. he demands 8M for a more risky boxer like Margs
3. he demands 10M for a strong very risky Cotto
4. Lastly I don't want to fight Paquiao coz i have a slim chance but if the price is right(100M) i'm going to dance with him on the ring

Economics can't answer a 100M demand for sure, way too imposible unless none left for the promoter, networks, pacquiao, referee, and etc...

Even on the figures of 10M at that time frame is a constricted budget and only a few dollars will be left for the other parties considering Arum is a greedy beacht. Considering at that time frame there are so manny attractions at heavier weights

Have we not already established that the $100mil demand was for signing with Don King, and had nothing to do with the Pacquiao fight?

If that is incorrect, then post me a link.

I have certainly never heard of a $100mil demand to fight Pacquiao, that sounds completely absurd, so absurd in fact, that I am sure it never happened.

As I said, if I happen to be out-of-the-loop on this one, then post me a link confirming a $100mil demand to fight Pacquiao.

Within the context of the current Pac vs May war, it is extremely common for one side to grasp onto a bull**** innuendo and run with it, particularly Manny's excitable fan-boy's.

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martinez cries as much as JMM does

hatergonna hate

[Brother Jay]

People here live in fantasy land.

Who has Floyd ducked?

Williams, Cotto and Margarito didn't have a notable win between the 3 of them to warrant even being on the champion's radar. Have any of you even watched boxing before Pacquiao came to welterweight?

Floyd retired in 2007 and took 2008 off.

Williams got his first notable win against Margarito in 2007, but lost in his very next fight against C fighter Quintana. He avenged that loss in the rematch but he went up to middleweight and jr middleweight and has not fought at welterweight since.

Cotto had done nothing impressive at jr welterweight. Cotto got his first notable win over Judah in 2007 at welterweight. Then he got murdered by Margarito almost exactly one year later. He came back to pull out a questionable win over Clottey, but got punished against Pacquiao and moved up to jr middleweight.

Margarito had only beaten Andrew "6 Heads" Lewis at the time Mayweather was the top guy at welterweight because Cintron still to date has not one notable win. Margarito's first notable win came against Cotto in 2008. Six months later he got knocked out by Shane Mosley.

How the hell was Floyd ducking any of these guys? So does that mean that Williams, Margarito, Pacquiao and Cotto were ducking Andre Berto?

Sounds silly right? But its the same scenario.

Berto is still proving himself, right? Just like Williams, Cotto and Margarito were proving themselves when Mayweather came up to welterweight and defeated Mitchell, Judah and Baldomir. None of those guys were even relevant at welterweight during that time.

Don't forget, Mosley was the man who beat the Gloden Boy, Oscar DelaHoya. Then Mosley lost twice to Vernon Forrest. Forrest then lost twice to Ricardo Mayorga. Mayorga then lost to Cory Spinks. Spinks beat Zab Judah but then lost the rematch. Zab Judah was the man at welterweight until he began fading against Carlos Baldomir in the middle rounds.

Mayweather beat all the top guys that were at welterweight when he came up. Then Hatton chased Mayweather because Mayweather had sought a fight with Kostya Tszyu, but Tszyu wouldn't take the fight. After beating Tszyu, Hatton wanted to be recognized as best in the world not just at jr welterweight. So he came up to 147 and lost.

Pacquiao aka "Catchiao", has no such legacy. I call him "Catchiao" because either he fights guys at catchweights or catches them coming off a loss or both.

Pacquiao hid away in Southeast Asia until his 35th fight. Dude hadn't really faced anyone notable until his 41st fight against Barrera. Pacquiao only as 57 fights, and of those 57 only 13 are against notable competition. That's a lot of padding.

Then, Pacquiao loses against Erik Morales. He gets a draw and a gift against Juan Manuel Marquez. Then, after Roach gets insight from training DelaHoya, Pacquiao fights and defeats Oscar, but not before DLH comes in at 145lbs. The media goes crazy and claims that Pac's win is more impressive than Floyd's over DLH despite Floyd winning when DLH came in way over 154lbs. More like 175lbs on fight night.

Then Pac fights Hatton at 140lbs even though Hatton walks around at 180lbs+, and is known to have difficulty making 140. Pac wins in a slugfest.

Then, Pac faces a freshly broken Cotto, who had been beaten bloody by Margarito. Not only is Cotto not the same man(as seen against Clottey), but it is stipulated that he must come down to 145lbs in order to fight Pac. See a pattern yet?

Then we have Joshua Clottey. In the fight against Pac, Clottey basically refused to attack consistently. But when he did, he showed that when a boxer has a decent defence Pac has lots of trouble and can be hit at will. Pac wins. Clottey looks like he just won the lottery.

Now comes Margarito, a boxer banned and disgraced for cheating, but still managed to get the chance to compete for a Jr middleweight title that he was never in contention for despite him coming off a KO loss to Shane Mosley. Again Team Pacquiao stipulated that Margarito weigh in at 150lbs to insure that he would be weaker from cutting weight. Pac won, but so what?

Pacquiao has made a habit of stipulating weight cutting as an advantage over his opponents. He only seeks fights against dethroned boxers. And many of them have been his stablemates.

Forget the PEDs. Forget the purse. How does any ******* justify this man's shenanigans as greatness? How do you call a man who refuses to compete against boxers at their best and most comfortable weight the #1 anything?

Floyd isn't perfect. No one claimed that he is. But just because Pacquiao has given some exciting fights against drained fighters doesn't mean that he is at the top.

Had Pacquiao fought and beaten all these guys while they were coming of wins and they came in at their best weight then you would have to give him all the credit in the world. Hell, even if he was on PED's I'd still have to say it was impressive. But Pacquiao needs catchweights and he targets freshly defeated talent.

That in itself has shown that Pacquiao is a paper tiger and his legacy is paper thin.

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People here live in fantasy land.

Who has Floyd ducked?

Williams, Cotto and Margarito didn't have a notable win between the 3 of them to warrant even being on the champion's radar. Have any of you even watched boxing before Pacquiao came to welterweight?

Floyd retired in 2007 and took 2008 off.

Williams got his first notable win against Margarito in 2007, but lost in his very next fight against C fighter Quintana. He avenged that loss in the rematch but he went up to middleweight and jr middleweight and has not fought at welterweight since.

Cotto had done nothing impressive at jr welterweight. Cotto got his first notable win over Judah in 2007 at welterweight. Then he got murdered by Margarito almost exactly one year later. He came back to pull out a questionable win over Clottey, but got punished against Pacquiao and moved up to jr middleweight.

Margarito had only beaten Andrew "6 Heads" Lewis at the time Mayweather was the top guy at welterweight because Cintron still to date has not one notable win. Margarito's first notable win came against Cotto in 2008. Six months later he got knocked out by Shane Mosley.

How the hell was Floyd ducking any of these guys? So does that mean that Williams, Margarito, Pacquiao and Cotto were ducking Andre Berto?

Sounds silly right? But its the same scenario.

Berto is still proving himself, right? Just like Williams, Cotto and Margarito were proving themselves when Mayweather came up to welterweight and defeated Mitchell, Judah and Baldomir. None of those guys were even relevant at welterweight during that time.

Don't forget, Mosley was the man who beat the Gloden Boy, Oscar DelaHoya. Then Mosley lost twice to Vernon Forrest. Forrest then lost twice to Ricardo Mayorga. Mayorga then lost to Cory Spinks. Spinks beat Zab Judah but then lost the rematch. Zab Judah was the man at welterweight until he began fading against Carlos Baldomir in the middle rounds.

Mayweather beat all the top guys that were at welterweight when he came up. Then Hatton chased Mayweather because Mayweather had sought a fight with Kostya Tszyu, but Tszyu wouldn't take the fight. After beating Tszyu, Hatton wanted to be recognized as best in the world not just at jr welterweight. So he came up to 147 and lost.

Pacquiao aka "Catchiao", has no such legacy. I call him "Catchiao" because either he fights guys at catchweights or catches them coming off a loss or both.

Pacquiao hid away in Southeast Asia until his 35th fight. Dude hadn't really faced anyone notable until his 41st fight against Barrera. Pacquiao only as 57 fights, and of those 57 only 13 are against notable competition. That's a lot of padding.

Then, Pacquiao loses against Erik Morales. He gets a draw and a gift against Juan Manuel Marquez. Then, after Roach gets insight from training DelaHoya, Pacquiao fights and defeats Oscar, but not before DLH comes in at 145lbs. The media goes crazy and claims that Pac's win is more impressive than Floyd's over DLH despite Floyd winning when DLH came in way over 154lbs. More like 175lbs on fight night.

Then Pac fights Hatton at 140lbs even though Hatton walks around at 180lbs+, and is known to have difficulty making 140. Pac wins in a slugfest.

Then, Pac faces a freshly broken Cotto, who had been beaten bloody by Margarito. Not only is Cotto not the same man(as seen against Clottey), but it is stipulated that he must come down to 145lbs in order to fight Pac. See a pattern yet?

Then we have Joshua Clottey. In the fight against Pac, Clottey basically refused to attack consistently. But when he did, he showed that when a boxer has a decent defence Pac has lots of trouble and can be hit at will. Pac wins. Clottey looks like he just won the lottery.

Now comes Margarito, a boxer banned and disgraced for cheating, but still managed to get the chance to compete for a Jr middleweight title that he was never in contention for despite him coming off a KO loss to Shane Mosley. Again Team Pacquiao stipulated that Margarito weigh in at 150lbs to insure that he would be weaker from cutting weight. Pac won, but so what?

Pacquiao has made a habit of stipulating weight cutting as an advantage over his opponents. He only seeks fights against dethroned boxers. And many of them have been his stablemates.

Forget the PEDs. Forget the purse. How does any ******* justify this man's shenanigans as greatness? How do you call a man who refuses to compete against boxers at their best and most comfortable weight the #1 anything?

Floyd isn't perfect. No one claimed that he is. But just because Pacquiao has given some exciting fights against drained fighters doesn't mean that he is at the top.

Had Pacquiao fought and beaten all these guys while they were coming of wins and they came in at their best weight then you would have to give him all the credit in the world. Hell, even if he was on PED's I'd still have to say it was impressive. But Pacquiao needs catchweights and he targets freshly defeated talent.

That in itself has shown that Pacquiao is a paper tiger and his legacy is paper thin.

Cotto had defended his ww title few times already before Floyd retired including younger shane mosley….with margarito, he was the longest ww champ at the time Floyd was a ww, only losing to Williams but captured another title and defended a few times as well..paul had just won his title from margo...these were around Floyd was still active at ww

Cotto has done more than Floyd at 140 homeboy…floyd’s best win was a gatti….lol..randall bailey was a better fighter than gatti( rip)..he’s beaten undfetd fighters way better than the brsusele's of the world like Ricardo torres, (better than gatti btw),paulie malignaggi, etc...