If Rjjr retired after Tarver I

[Mr. Invincible]

Also, the only other POSSIBLE boxer you could claim RJJ is Dariusz Michalczewski. From what I heard though, he wanted to fight Roy in Germany for a 50/50 split IIRC, and that was completely preposterous. You can't possibly expect Roy to bend to these types of demands just to appease the fans. Boxing is a business first. Roy was the star, and he shouldn't have to cater TO ANYONE, unless he says so.

Very accurate and well said. That's truth, not just lip service. The P4P#1 calls the shots. Period.

People don't understand that Roy was Manny Pacquiao back then. It's sad how many noobs there are here.

[Squizz]

Or maybe Jones simply priced himself out of the fight so he could continue fighting weaker opponents.

Do you really honestly believe that? That's why he went up and fought John Ruiz @HW who was what, 29lbs heavier than him on fight night? Dude, do yourself a favor and quit arguing. Warren and Calzaghe never seriously wanted to fight Roy. Me, you, and EVERYONE else know that. What was Roy supposed to do? Take a 50/50 split and fight in the UK? Come on. And Joe certainly wasn't going to take a 60/40 split and fight in the US. He seriously didn't start calling out Jones until after he beat Jeff Lacy. And by then, Roy was obviously past it.

[Mr. Invincible]

If by british you mean American, then yes. And as for the articles go find them and while you're at it find the ones that proved RJJ wanted to fight the likes of Ricky Frazier or Glen Kelly rather than Joe.

I've seen those articles too. To quote Joe, he said that he didn't fancy his chances and he wouldn't face Roy unless the crown ***els were on the line. That's exactly what he said. Warren knew he had no chance, he knew he had no chance, so they left him in Britain/Wales until Hopkins and Jones got old.
Oh, and one more thing, Roy was like a month shy of being 40 when he fought Calzaghe and Joe was 36. I'm not sure how that makes Roy closer to his prime moron.

[Squizz]

Lol, I'm suprised you have Tyson in your avitar since it's obvious you have no idea about prime Roy Jones and the fact that Calzaghe wouldn't dare come over to face Hopkins and Roy until after they were both 'seemingly fading'.

Thank you. Unlike some around here, I was actually following boxing back then. I started watching in 1996. Roy was THE MAN back then. These people are obviously new to the sport, because they would not make such false accusations. To say Roy ducked Joe Calzaghe at ANY POINT, is simply inaccurate.

[Mr. Invincible]

Do you really honestly believe that? That's why he went up and fought John Ruiz @HW who was what, 29lbs heavier than him on fight night? Dude, do yourself a favor and quit arguing. Warren and Calzaghe never seriously wanted to fight Roy. Me, you, and EVERYONE else know that. What was Roy supposed to do? Take a 50/50 split and fight in the UK? Come on. And Joe certainly wasn't going to take a 60/40 split and fight in the US. He seriously didn't start calling out Jones until after he beat Jeff Lacy. And by then, Roy was obviously past it.

Ding ding ding, it's so obvious that it's like a glaring interrogation light in a dark room. Anyone who doesn't see this as truth is just a hugger or is simply delusional.

Thanks.

[Squizz]

Very accurate and well said. That's truth, not just lip service. The P4P#1 calls the shots. Period.

People don't understand that Roy was Manny Pacquiao back then. It's sad how many noobs there are here.

Well, that's just the way I see/saw it. It's not Roy's fault the only viable fighters he could fight were making ridiculous demands. The only fighter I was sad not to see him face was in fact, Dariusz Michalczewski. And that's because he beat Virgil Hill before Roy could. It made perfect sense. But those idiotic European promoters were making outrageous demands, because they KNEW they couldn't win the fight otherwise. If Roy went to Germany to fight Dariusz, he would have HAD to win by ko or stoppage. He woulda' got robbed! And if he accepted a 50/50 split, he's getting robbed twice over. If Michaelczewski wanted to fight Roy, he shoulda' came to the States and fought him for a 60/40 split. That's just how it goes. When you're THE MAN (which Roy obviously was) you call the shots.

[Mr. Invincible]

Thank you. Unlike some around here, I was actually following boxing back then. I started watching in 1996. Roy was THE MAN back then. These people are obviously new to the sport, because they would not make such false accusations. To say Roy ducked Joe Calzaghe at ANY POINT, is simply inaccurate.

No doubt. I'm 31 and have been watching and following boxing since the Tyson days and when Foreman was making his comeback. I watched the complete rise and fall of Roy Jones and I can gaurantee that the man that came into the ring with Tarver in the first fight was not the same that beat Ruiz @ heavyweight. It was obvious. I was shouting at Roy the whole fight wanting to try and understand what had happened and didn't realize it at the time but he just got old between the fights. Maybe it was because he had achieved his ultimate goal or maybe it was the weight loss. That's the only thing that remains a mystery to me. Either way, he was superman at his best and I can't think of anyone below LHW, all time, who I can say definitely beats him in a dream fight. Calzaghe would have been treated almost as bad as Clinton Woods was in my opinion.

[Squizz]

I've seen those articles too. To quote Joe, he said that he didn't fancy his chances and he wouldn't face Roy unless the crown ***els were on the line. That's exactly what he said. Warren knew he had no chance, he knew he had no chance, so they left him in Britain/Wales until Hopkins and Jones got old.
Oh, and one more thing, Roy was like a month shy of being 40 when he fought Calzaghe and Joe was 36. I'm not sure how that makes Roy closer to his prime moron.

HAHA. This guy is getting crapped on. But it's his own fault. Don't talk trash to me, and argue when you CLEARLY have no idea what you're talking about. I don't argue unless I can present a good case, and I think I've done that in this thread. This guy has probably been watching boxing for two years, and see's some scrub's names on RJJ's resume, and thinks he's got it all figured out. That or he's just a hater. One way or the other, he hasn't made a good case for his argument at all, and is looking like a complete noob.

[Mr. Invincible]

Well, that's just the way I see/saw it. It's not Roy's fault the only viable fighters he could fight were making ridiculous demands. The only fighter I was sad not to see him face was in fact, Dariusz Michalczewski. And that's because he beat Virgil Hill before Roy could. It made perfect sense. But those idiotic European promoters were making outrageous demands, because they KNEW they couldn't win the fight otherwise. If Roy went to Germany to fight Dariusz, he would have HAD to win by ko or stoppage. He woulda' got robbed! And if he accepted a 50/50 split, he's getting robbed twice over. If Michaelczewski wanted to fight Roy, he shoulda' came to the States and fought him for a 60/40 split. That's just how it goes. When you're THE MAN (which Roy obviously was) you call the shots.

The truth is that prime Roy would've made easy work of Dariusz and was not willing to travel like that and accept even money when he was P4P #1 while moving up to LH. The olympics burnt Roy on the idea of fighting overseas and I can't blame him. Either way, however, he beat Hill more emphatically and the fight was DM's to make. He should have came over, accepted short money and gave it his best shot. He would have failed and that's the problem. He made great money in Europe fighting mostly average competition so there was no reason to fix what was not broken and end the gravy train with a Jones blowout.

[John Barron]

So what you're basically saying is, you're made because I'm right? Thanks!


I have no idea what point you're trying to make here.........You claimed Roy ducked Calzaghe, and I PROVED he didn't. Heck, I can dig up articles where Joe himself claimed that he wouldn't fight Jones in 2000/2001 because he KNEW HE WOULD LOSE. And it's not just me saying that in this thread you ****ing idiot. You're wrong and you know it. And I'm assuming you're British, because ONLY British boxing fans are capable of such ******ity!

i could've sworn you were british, squizz. stop playing these mind games!