If Rjjr retired after Tarver I

[IMDAZED]

I think John Ruiz is *****

I think a beltholder/top five heavyweight is pretty solid for a LHW. Granted not the greatest of HW's but no pushover. To each their own.

[Mr. Invincible]

I think John Ruiz is *****

That was when Ruiz was solid, not when you know his as a bum David Haye faced 7 years later when he was washed up. He beat Holyfield just before that fight when Evander still had some juice left.

You know the Klitschko loss to Lewis was controversial, don't play naive.

Face it, your hero went out like a b*tch when you clearly say Roy didn't because it would have been a b*tch move.

Man I hope the rest of your family isn't so thick.

[Mr. Philadel]

rjj would've went out like lewis did on top...

top 15-20 atg imo....if somebody placed him in the top 10....I wouldn't have disagreed...Roy was the man!!!

[Dirk Diggler UK]

That was when Ruiz was solid, not when you know his as a bum David Haye faced 7 years later when he was washed up. He beat Holyfield just before that fight when Evander still had some juice left.

You know the Klitschko loss to Lewis was controversial, don't play naive.

Face it, your hero went out like a b*tch when you clearly say Roy didn't because it would have been a b*tch move.

Man I hope the rest of your family isn't so thick.

Ruiz is *****. No matter what point of his career he was.

Lewis won by TKO. There was nothing "controversial" about a TKO win. Just because Vitali fought well doesnt mean there was a debate about the TKO. His face was hanging off.

Roy won a controversial 12 round decision. Not a TKO.

I never said anything was a "biitch move". Why so sensitive?

Try again.

[Silencers]

He would be held in much higher regard than he is now IMO, I mean he would have still had that aura of invincibility about him, even though the first Tarver fight was close he would have always been able to say the weight loss affected him and left it at that. Of course there would still be people out there saying he ducked Tarver and stuff like that but overall I think he would've been put up there with some of the greatest of them all.

Right now his aura is all but gone because people can see now that he was basically a very gifted athlete but not the best skillwise, he would've never given people a chance to say these things had he retired at the right time.

[Forza]

RJJ bleeds like a little ***** - Joe Calzaghe