Muhammad Ali Vs Samuel Peter

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  • billeau2
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    #131
    Originally posted by Elroy1
    The only thing ridiculous is that old bastards like you whom I think have more invested in your old school "favourites" than we know $$$$ really think that Peter would find much trouble annihilated those guys. I even just watched the Williams fight. Anybody reading this can tune into the very same fight. Yeah I know there's that combo where he dropped him but it only really looks good when sped up Let me tell you, Williams is a weakling and a beanstalk compared with Peter, not to mention he threw less punches than Peter has in any fight I can remember. Not to mention he'd suffered a ****ing gunshot! This was a weak opponent for Liston let alone Ali when he was older!

    The Liston fight was an utter confusion for the judges. Ali was scared ****less, running the whole fight and Liston was so slow and plodding and unco he missed lots. It was confusing for the judges who to score the fight for.. The runner or the plodder? I don't doubt the shoulder injury was real and no doubt by the way your talking, you don't doubt it either! Ali was scared of Liston!

    But it's Ali who would be the sparring partner. Many fighters bring pressure, Peter happens to be a prime example of one. Ali didn't really have any skills. He WAS hit at will as soon as Liston was in range as he would be against Peter who is faster than Liston (fact).

    Problem is is that Peter, although not exactly fast, was FASTER than a lot of Ali's opponents who were much much lighter! And WK, he's about as fast as you can get for a 250lb man! Ali never fought once an opponent as fast and with the range of WK.

    Terrell was tall like WK. But even at 250lbs, WK is objectively faster than 210lb Terrell (fact). Not even mentioning the skills and power advantage and chin (it's true!).

    Smartest HW of all time? You think that running away for half a career and then taking punch after punch for the other half was smart?

    That's what makes you ****** Ray! Yeah I seen your other post on history but your safe there. That's the real "fantasy" section. I guess you think Ali's smart for out-witting Foreman, probably the dumbest boxer in history (at that stage) ever. Well I would not be so quick to credit Ali for that. Ali WAS slightly ******ed, same as the fans.

    It's actually moronic that you would consider a punch bag the champion in a hard punching era like the present. Your the epitome of the "Old Fool". You represent more than any other what is wrong with boxing.
    Thank god ****** isn't contagious over the internet....if it was I would stay the fvk away from you.

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    • Elroy1
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      #132
      Originally posted by billeau2
      Thank god ****** isn't contagious over the internet....if it was I would stay the fvk away from you.
      Yeah I already answered to that... ******!

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      • Suckmedry
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        #133
        This is way beyond a joke right now. I'm sick of seeing this pathetic fcking trolls rubbish posts about the same fcking ****. It's polluting this forum.

        Seriously, mods need to ban this fruit loop.

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        • Elroy1
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          #134
          Originally posted by One more round
          This is way beyond a joke right now. I'm sick of seeing this pathetic fcking trolls rubbish posts about the same fcking ****. It's polluting this forum.

          Seriously, mods need to ban this fruit loop.
          But it's clearly you who is the fruit loop. I support strong, effective boxers modern boxers against past times HW's that were weaker, less skilled on average and less athletic on average.

          In short the total package of the guys you support are far less than the ones I do but somehow, you think it's crazy that I would believe they'd win!

          If you want a fair debate, stick to Lennox Lewis, you are on equal footing there... Muhammad Ali vs many modern HW's is only a fantasy! Perpetuated by little more than propaganda.

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          • SBleeder
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            #135
            Originally posted by Elroy1
            That's debatable. I have heard testimony that it was much longer than that.

            Problem is that nobody was actually there I know of to ever come forward with eye witness evidence. Until that is settled, Cooper KOed Ali!

            And I didn't even mention smelling salts.

            Muhammad Ali I (60's) had a weak chin, fact!

            Translation: "I don't actually watch the fights that I discuss."





            Your response will likely be "But teh video was sped up doe."
            Last edited by SBleeder; 07-15-2014, 09:49 AM.

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            • Elroy1
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              #136
              Originally posted by SBleeder

              Translation: "I don't actually watch the fights that I discuss."





              Your response will likely be "But teh video was sped up doe."
              No actually... AND OBVIOUSLY, the video isn't continuous, obviously doe!

              Can we not get someone, just a single someone, who was ringside for the Cooper fight, anyone, to attest to the haltage not lasting a more significant length?

              If so I will strike that point and consider it only a few seconds. (Which by the way, is still very much cheating, particularly with the salts!)

              Ali was KO'ed. He would be KO'ed under any other circumstances or DQ'd today. This is a gift victory. Everybody knows it!

              Ali in reality lost 11, atleast 10 fights!

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              • SBleeder
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                #137
                Originally posted by Elroy1

                Ali in reality lost 11, atleast 10 fights!
                LOL. List them. This will be good.


                Let me guess:
                Holmes
                Berbick
                Spinks I
                Frazier I and II
                Norton all 3 fights
                Cooper I
                Young
                Foreman cuz Foreman was poisoned
                Liston cuz the Mafia

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                • Elroy1
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                  #138
                  Originally posted by SBleeder
                  LOL. List them. This will be good.


                  Let me guess:
                  Holmes
                  Berbick
                  Spinks I
                  Frazier I and II
                  Norton all 3 fights
                  Cooper I
                  Young
                  Foreman cuz Foreman was poisoned
                  Liston cuz the Mafia
                  No I credit him with Foreman and Shaver's, a win is a win. I wont change history, Liston quit and he dove, that's his problem, Foreman dropped either way and it cant be proved whatever, maybe he was just dumb! LOL

                  But we do have to give Shavers the fight, Shavers, an absolute bum, did beat him I reckon.

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                  • SBleeder
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                    #139
                    Originally posted by Elroy1
                    No I credit him with Foreman and Shaver's, a win is a win. I wont change history, Liston quit and he dove, that's his problem, Foreman dropped either way and it cant be proved whatever, maybe he was just dumb! LOL

                    But we do have to give Shavers the fight, Shavers, an absolute bum, did beat him I reckon.
                    Sniffing glue again?

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                    • Elroy1
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                      #140
                      Originally posted by SBleeder
                      Sniffing glue again?
                      Sorry LOL Liston, Foreman an Liston

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