How you beat Pac and Mayweather....

[The Gambler1981]

But Gambler, when have we ever seen Pacquaio just sit in the pocket and **** with someone? Even in the fight against JMM where they had viscous exchanges, it was angles that killed JMM, not just sitting on the inside trading traditionally like one would think.

When I think of Pac and Mayweather, the last thing I see happening is those two just sitting on the inside. With the amount of movement and angles each fighter displays and the way Mayweather LOVES to keep fighters out of reach, I just don't see it.

That's just my opinion tho.

Floyd goes inside but I wouldn't call it ****ing or going to war, Floyd goes inside to not take damage while grappling and giving the other guy a couple shots since Floyd is real good at the short quick shots.

Floyd likes to put the other guy in places they don't want to be against Manny both inside and outside qualify which is why I find Manny's prospects in the fight poor. There is danger to it but I think Floyd gains a lot both in terms of his mental edge in the fight and in terms of how the fights gets looked at after the fact which I think Floyd would want to look as good as possible.

[Walt Liquor]

So let me get this straight...

Cotto, a fighter with a great jab but much slower and not half the boxer Mayweather is landed his jab at will on Manny int he first two rounds but Mayweather can't?

Also, I agree, Mayweather is a great inside fighter, he's a great fighter period but don't you think getting within range of a smaller, shorter armed fighter would be the less intelligent thing to do? Fight on the inside when necessary, don't do it as a game plan.

I still don't understand why people think Pac is so much faster of foot than Mayweather, I think Floyd moves just as fast in and out as Pac does but he has a long reach and is a much better counter puncher.

i think you're underrating cotto's boxing ability. you answered my question. he has a better jab than floyd.

the second paragraph is definitely conventional wisdom but I think that floyd has such an advantage inside that he would do better to try and keep the fight there when manny comes in as opposed to letting manny back out to attack again.

i disagree about the speed, manny faster feet on the attack than floyd. floyd has quicker hands imo for 1-2 shots. that's all he throws nowadays. a lot of manny's speed is derived from all that upper body movement so it's just so hard to get a jump on him when you're trying to defend his attacks.

[Walt Liquor]

Floyd goes inside but I wouldn't call it ****ing or going to war, Floyd goes inside to not take damage while grappling and giving the other guy a couple shots since Floyd is real good at the short quick shots.

Floyd likes to put the other guy in places they don't want to be against Manny both inside and outside qualify which is why I find Manny's prospects in the fight poor. There is danger to it but I think Floyd gains a lot both in terms of his mental edge in the fight and in terms of how the fights gets looked at after the fact which I think Floyd would want to look as good as possible.

i dont agree with the outside necessarily.

I have no idea what the italics means. floyd gets a mental edge from what?

I don't think floyd wants it as bad anymore, advantage Pac. Floyd has no mental edge this fight.

[Walt Liquor]

He is a good inside fighter (even though we haven't seen him do this much recently.
I also think floyd hits harder than people think. ODH, Mosley, Gatti, Zab, Diego all talked about being surprised he hit that hard.

when he hiyt guys with shots they don't see.

his ko percentage isn't all that great, especially lately.

[V.WEBB]

i can't even classify him as an inside fighter so saying he's a good inside fighter is a stretch. a good inside fighter wins fights on the inside or is more effective fighting on the inside. that's not just his style.

Did you not read the part where I said he was versatile? I'm not strictly calling him an in-fighter. Due to him being versatile, he is very good at fighting on the inside, he has film to back this up. And you keep talking about his style, but do you not realize that he has shown more than one style? Also, when Floyd has chosen to fight inside, he has been rather effective in doing so.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

when he hiyt guys with shots they don't see.

his ko percentage isn't all that great, especially lately.

Floyd was actually a KO puncher when at 130 and below. He was knocking people out less the higher he moved up in weight.

[Walt Liquor]

nobody really said that

floyd is not really good fighting in close range. .

[Walt Liquor]

Floyd was actually a KO puncher when at 130 and below. He was knocking people out less the higher he moved up in weight.

very true. not now though. he's too lacksy daisy now. he needs to go in vs pac like a killer a la corrales/gatti. i don't think he can though

[MindBat]

Floyd can frustrate his opponents to the point where they start to hold back and no amount of pleading from the corner to "let your hands go" helps.

[Carpe Diem]

Exactly, people let their personal feeling get in the way of rational thought.....

I couldn't agree with you more.