what was edwin valero chances at 140?

[boxer2k5]

IMO Valero was overrated!! Who did he beat that makes people think he was so great and would destroy everyone at 140. Please, people on here say JMM would not beat anyone at 140 but all of a sudden Valero is greater then JMM and would beat Khan, Maidana, Bradely. He did not even fight any good fighter at 135, he could of fought Guerrero, Katsidis, Soto, JMM, Why didnt he???!! GTFOH

who did maidana beat besides amir khan? why is he so praised?

[boxer2k5]

Because he whipped a lot of those guys in sparring.

And rumor has it, Pac man too.


They didn't just hype him for the hell of it.

He was a name in So Cal gyms and knocked out Pitalua a big puncher in 2.


I wouldn't say he fought nobody, but I think he's live at 140.

I don't believe Valero was hype. He was the real deal.

im tired of saying guys arent anyone until they fight a known name. but those names were fighting nonames until they got a big fight themselves. but all it did was get them known. but before maidana beat ortiz he had a glossy record who did he beat that was good? even now who has he beaten that makes him so great? what about khan who did he beat that makes him so good? they are top of their divisions but that dont mean they aint follow the same guidelines everyones fav fighter followed.

**** all that **** valero was chasing the number 1 boxer period he aint care bout those divisions he jsut fought to stay busy and was chasing manny. just because he beat some guys you dont know about dont mean he wouldnt have done it to the guys you do know about.

and valero handled plenty of people int he gym even oscar morales and manny others with ease. his boxing skills power chin heart stamina was all there. the onyl reason he aint fight all the guys you know about is because of his VISA.

[boxer2k5]

i knw what sparring is ive done it 100's of times..and sparring isnt like a real fight..fighters arnt in top condition in sparring nor are they in their with fight plans..sparring is sparring

you not a pro sparring another pro getting ready to fight. when pros bring in guys to spar for fights they go hard. the only thing they have on big gloves and headgear. if you dont go hard you go home.. unless you was paid to spar your sparring dont count

[PandaKilla]

Here is a question for. Show me proof of this very good chin that Maidana possess because if you saw the victor ortiz fight that you would know that maidana has an average chin. He got dropped 3 times before ortiz quit like *****.

Is Ortiz heavy handed? I would say yes.

Did maidana get up everytime? Yes.

Maidana has a good chin and has not been knocked out, and even when he got dropped by Ortiz, they were flash knock downs.

You can believe his chin is average, no problem, thst is your opinion.

[Spray_resistant]

Considering he beat the **** out of every top pro he sparred with and never had a fight go the distance, I think the praise for his power is warranted.

Against what opponents? I wish the Peterson fight did take place and all of this Valero coulda woulda talk would be over by now after the complete tooling he would have had if they fought?

Sparring Jreck c'mon? when you have to go there you might as well be saying yes he was untested and unproven as a pro against top level guys.

[Spray_resistant]

well i can only go by from what i seen. so im comparing what we saw from a 2 division champion compared to what he was about to face.

Really using that label as a selling point huh?

I saw a guy with talent but he was very raw and needed alot and I mean alot of work to beat even second tier guys at 140.

[Bastian Loc]

sparring is just that sparring

Against what opponents? I wish the Peterson fight did take place and all of this Valero coulda woulda talk would be over by now after the complete tooling he would have had if they fought?

Sparring Jreck c'mon? when you have to go there you might as well be saying yes he was untested and unproven as a pro against top level guys.

I don't know what gyms you spar at but here in L.A sparring is fighting. People don't hold back.

Really using that label as a selling point huh?

I saw a guy with talent but he was very raw and needed alot and I mean alot of work to beat even second tier guys at 140.

You're a joke. He destroyed everyone with ease. It was news if the fight made it out of the first round.

Who the **** did Alexander beat to be an Hbo ***** boy?

****ing one dimensional ass Urango who btw was starring to figure him out before Alexander landed that lucky punch.

For that matter, whats Bradley's best win? Kendall Holt?

Beating Mosquera in Panama like Valero did ****s all over a win against Kendall Holt.

Faggot.

[Spray_resistant]

Who the **** did Alexander beat to be an Hbo ***** boy?

****ing one dimensional ass Urango who btw was starring to figure him out before Alexander landed that lucky punch.

For that matter, whats Bradley's best win? Kendall Holt?

Beating Mosquera in Panama like Valero did ****s all over a win against Kendall Holt.

Faggot.

No it doesn't, so I guess the forum has a new FF champion based on all of his power we can speculate would put to sleep any world class 140 or hell why not 147lber just like the 24 of 27 club fighters he stopped yet couldn't wobble DeMarco with flush shot after shot

[Bastian Loc]

No it doesn't, so I guess the forum has a new FF champion based on all of his power we can speculate would put to sleep any world class 140 or hell why not 147lber just like the 24 of 27 club fighters he stopped yet couldn't wobble DeMarco with flush shot after shot

He made DeMarco quit and wobbled him plenty of times.

That's why he quit.

The Mosquera win was a FOTY candidate where Valero showed he could do it all against a world class opponent that was tough as hell and maybe even crazier than him.

Valero destroys anyone at 140.

[PandaKilla]

Ok it is 4 am here so bed time after this post.

Valero maybe toyed with Morales, true but not an indicator of what you can do at 140.

Valero beat up on Oscar for pac sparring, but Oscar was not able to pull the trigger as such.

Who else did he spar? A bunch of no bodies.

The santiago's brother or whatever?

Even Pac's sparring partner, Antillion is a nobody. Tue guy he rocked badly.

There's an interview with a trainer that said the Santiago's had his number because they were tall and rangey. He of course had his moments with them.

At the time of this documentary, it was yesrs ago and when Valero went to fight Mosquera for that world title, he got dropped and also lost a few rounds from memory. He looked like an amatuer when it came to a real fight.

His ppower got him home safe, but he hit this guy a hell of a lot, and also missed a lot bedause the guy ducked.

Valero at 140 would face guys as fast as him, and wih pop. These guys won't stand there just like that. He basically sparred with green guys a lot, and he also tried to prove his dominance over them as if it was a real fight.

Sparring is sparring. Khan has looked good vs pacman, but we all know Pac Ko's him. Many stories of sparring mean **** all. Sometimes they do count, but not always.

At fight night, that's when you know that both have given it 110%.

If you need to go and talk sparring to justify a boxer, then you are digging deep and in trouble.

Marinda looked like a beast, Pavlik looked like a beast, arreola looked like a beast, dawson, all these guys who were suppose to be the next guy lost when it came to facing the top guys.

You can look great until you step it up, where you can't always knock someone out, or tuey hit hard, are fast, move well, are hard to hit, feint at you, read your game etc... when you face competition that is on your level, then you know how good you are, and so do we.

Put it this way, would everyone at 140, if they could make weigjt beat anyone on Valero's resume? Yes.