Is Vitali Klitschko a top 10 heavyweight of all time?

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

Just making sure the Brits agree with me. Even a guy with a picture of Diva in his sig apparently thinks so. Diva is scared and if he retires without ever fighting a Klitschko he will forever be known as a coward...

That fake pic in your sig is the only way we'll see Diva in the same ring with either Klitschko BTW.

I knew that picture would have an effect on you. hahahahaha

[IronDanHamza]

No. Let's examine when Wlad beat an undefeated Sam Peter. Sam Peter was considered the next Tyson and a feared fighter, Wlad was coming two recent losses and was considered a dead-man walking. He actually asked for the fight even though his own brother, for the first time in his career, told him not to take the fight. He was a big underdog coming into the fight and most experts considered him a stepping stone for Peter. Wlad got off the canvas three times to win almost every round where he wasn't down in a dominant display. Wlad then dominated and stopped Peter in their second fight.

In terms of Vitaly, he was also the underdog, a guy coming off a four year layoff, late 30s, 2 knee surgeries, back and shoulder surgery, his first fight back he is fighting a champ with just one loss and loss where he had his opponent down 3 times at that, a guy almost 10 years younger than him. He made Sam Peter quit on his stool, not giving away a single round.

Let's take a look at Pascal and Hopkins now. First of all, Hopkins lost, so the comparison between him vs Pascal and either Klitschko vs Peter ends right there. Second, Pascal lost to Froch, who while good is not great, already loosing to Kessler, getting knocked down by shot Taylor, and having a marathon with Dirrell.

Now in terms of Mosley vs Briggs. Certainly accomplishment-wise Mosley has done more than Briggs but is the version of Mosley that a younger Mayweather fought the great version of Mosley? Or the shot version of Mosley? Still, Mosley hurt Mayweather in that fight and took some rounds off Mayweather. What did Briggs do to Vitaly other than land himself in the hospital for two weeks?

Yes but your forgetting that both Pascal and Mosley are or were the Lineal Champions in there respective weight classes, as opposed to Peter and Briggs who both were not, and frankly not even close. Its quite difficult to claim facing Peter and Briggs is better or even as good as facing Pascal or Mosley at those particular times.

Unlike alot of people i don't actually **** on Sam Peter as an opponent, i think that was a solid win for both Wlad and Vitali.

Like i said, im not ****ting on the Klitschko brothers, there both ATG's IMO, more Wlad than Vitali, but saying facing Briggs and Peter is better than facing is Pascal and Mosley who were both Lineal champions at that point is just simply unreasonable.

[titanium]

I have a hard time putting either brother in the top ten. Perhaps if either became undisputed.

[joseph5620]

Resume is everything when ranking ATGs, Vitali is not a top 10 ATG because his resume kind of sucks, also he lost to the 2 best boxers he ever faced I really don't see how people can view him as this unbeatable machine to be honest.

That in itself removes him from consideration.

[Rassclot]

H2H


Vitali is like RJJ. Unbeatable. Seriously. There is nobody in the history of HW boxing that can beat this man. The only guy who had any chance was Lewis who matched him in size and power. Lewis's mom had to sacrifice a baby llama so God gave him the sweet graces of cutting Vitali, who was tearing his ass up. The doctor stopped Vitali from pummelling Lewis into submission. Don't act like lewis is iron-chinned like Vitali.

Lewis had 1, at most 2 rounds left before he was a goner. That is Vitali's game. Accumulative, abusive damage over the duration of the fight. By 6-7 round you can see the same look on Arreola, Peters, Corrie Sanders faces..... they getting ready to go. Lewis had that same look on his face. Just watch that fight again.





All the old timers would seriously be no match. Let's look at another heralded slugger from the past..... people hype him up to be the greatest slugger of all time. George Foreman. 6'4, 215 lbs, 2 left feet, swings from the hips with no guard. Only has gas for 8 rounds. In his prime, went life and death with Ron Lyle and got outslugged by Jimmy Young. 1 punched by Cassius Clay.


So we've established, Vitali is much bigger, has better stamina, has better technique and has a better chin than Foreman. Foreman would get blasted out.

Now that we've established that Vitali really is a much better version of Foreman. We can all agree he'd smash Marciano, Dempsey, Frazier, Liston, Floyd Patterson and all those little dudes. It isn't even debateable of you had a brain.

And Tyson who is 5'10. Vitali is 6'8. how the **** is Tyson going to reach Vitali's face? Vitali would stop Tyson by standing hammer fists. It's a physical mismatch.




Let's all agree at the end of the day that Vitali is really the best HW right now and for the last decade. The only reason his brother has all the accolades is because Vitali allowed him to. Vitali is a gracious older brother who does not feel the need to compete with his own younger brother whom he loves... but if **** hits the fan you can bet your ass Vitali lays down the big brother beatdown.


btw Vlad whether you like it or not is a first ballot HOFer. yet the general consensus is Vitali beats him...... that should tell you how good he is. period.

[IronDanHamza]

H2H


Vitali is like RJJ. Unbeatable. Seriously. There is nobody in the history of HW boxing that can beat this man. The only guy who had any chance was Lewis who matched him in size and power. Lewis's mom had to sacrifice a baby llama so God gave him the sweet graces of cutting Vitali, who was tearing his ass up. The doctor stopped Vitali from pummelling Lewis into submission. Don't act like lewis is iron-chinned like Vitali.

Lewis had 1, at most 2 rounds left before he was a goner. That is Vitali's game. Accumulative, abusive damage over the duration of the fight. By 6-7 round you can see the same look on Arreola, Peters, Corrie Sanders faces..... they getting ready to go. Lewis had that same look on his face. Just watch that fight again.





All the old timers would seriously be no match. Let's look at another heralded slugger from the past..... people hype him up to be the greatest slugger of all time. George Foreman. 6'4, 215 lbs, 2 left feet, swings from the hips with no guard. Only has gas for 8 rounds. In his prime, went life and death with Ron Lyle and got outslugged by Jimmy Young. 1 punched by Cassius Clay.


So we've established, Vitali is much bigger, has better stamina, has better technique and has a better chin than Foreman. Foreman would get blasted out.

Now that we've established that Vitali really is a much better version of Foreman. We can all agree he'd smash Marciano, Dempsey, Frazier, Liston, Floyd Patterson and all those little dudes. It isn't even debateable of you had a brain.

And Tyson who is 5'10. Vitali is 6'8. how the **** is Tyson going to reach Vitali's face? Vitali would stop Tyson by standing hammer fists. It's a physical mismatch.




Let's all agree at the end of the day that Vitali is really the best HW right now and for the last decade. The only reason his brother has all the accolades is because Vitali allowed him to. Vitali is a gracious older brother who does not feel the need to compete with his own younger brother whom he loves... but if **** hits the fan you can bet your ass Vitali lays down the big brother beatdown.


btw Vlad whether you like it or not is a first ballot HOFer. yet the general consensus is Vitali beats him...... that should tell you how good he is. period.

Do head to heads really show who is greater though? No, they dont.

[Rassclot]

Do head to heads really show who is greater though? No, they dont.

I am just here to say my piece. his resume isn't ATG level yet. but he is really a H2H nightmare. And one of the best heavies of all time H2H. Arguably the best.

[jrosales13]

I am just here to say my piece. his resume isn't ATG level yet. but he is really a H2H nightmare. And one of the best heavies of all time H2H. Arguably the best.

Yet?

He is damn near 40yrs old. If it ain't ATG now then very likely it would never be.

Fact is he lost to the best 2 fighters his faced. And, the rest of the competition he faced are not close to ATG material, really IMO not even HOF material.

But, that is Vitaly though. Wladimir is a whole different story I think he has a very good resume that might get better. When is all said and done Wladimir could very well have a case to be in top 10 ATG HW...Vitaly? Not at all. Not even close.

[IronDanHamza]

Yet?

He is damn near 40yrs old. If it ain't ATG now then very likely it would never be.

Fact is he lost to the best 2 fighters his faced. And, the rest of the competition he faced are not close to ATG material, really IMO not even HOF material.

But, that is Vitaly though. Wladimir is a whole different story I think he has a very good resume that might get better. When is all said and done Wladimir could very well have a case to be in top 10 ATG HW...Vitaly? Not at all. Not even close.

I agree Wlad is much more proven than Vitali but i personally see his limit as being Top 15 even if he had another 10 defenses and broke Louis' record, i just can't see him being a Top 10 ATG but Top 15 there could be a case for when he retires. Out of curiosity, Wlad Haye who you got?

[jrosales13]

I agree Wlad is much more proven than Vitali but i personally see his limit as being Top 15 even if he had another 10 defenses and broke Louis' record, i just can't see him being a Top 10 ATG but Top 15 there could be a case for when he retires. Out of curiosity, Wlad Haye who you got?

Depends how Wlad fights. I think if Wlad is aggressive he can dominate, destroy Haye...Haye would be for a world of hurt if Wlad is aggressive. However, if Wlad is passive, timid, then Haye might have the opportunity to really test Wlad chin out.

I would favor Wlad, but if he is timid try to play it safe that might be in Haye favor.