Bute and Calzaghe defeated Sakio Bika more decisively than Ward

[Easy-E]

Tonight, Andre Ward held and headbutted his way to a decision win over Sakio Bika.

Bika was fighting two men in the ring tonight: Ward and his crooked referee. Did anyone else notice after Bika landed a hard clean punch, the referee gave him a hard shove away from Ward?

The referee was on Bika's back whenever he started to gain some momentum. But the ref never stopped Ward from holding Bika's arm every time he came in close, nor did he warn him about his constant use of headbutts on the inside.

And the judges were crooked too: the scorecards were ridiculously wide, especially the 120-108.

Lucian Bute and Joe Calzaghe didn't need a referee to help them win their clear decisions against Bika. They didn't need a home ref to permit them to hold Bika's arm, and they didn't have a home ref push Bika away after he landed a good punch. And they didn't use repeated deliberate headbutts as an important part of their game plan, knowing they could get away with it like Ward did.

Bute and Calzaghe OUTBOXED Bika and earned their wins.

Although the crooked judges had those scorecards ridiculously wide tonight, in reality the fight was CLOSER than Bika's fight's with Calzaghe and Bute.

Ward combines the characteristics of Bernard Hopkins and Sven Ottke.

Like B-Hop, he's a very dirty fighter. And like Ottke, he's a very protected fighter who has crooked referees and judges to make sure he wins all his fights in Oakland.

Ward defeated Kessler more convincingly than Calzaghe. What's your point?

Even a second grader could tell you that styles make fights.

[-Kev-]

It's very common that fighter A beats fighter B in good fashion, then fighter C doesn't look to good against fighter B but still wins. Then fans take that as fighter B is no match for fighter A, but then they fight and fighter B dominates fighter A.

[Mikhnienko]

Ward defeated Kessler more convincingly than Calzaghe. What's your point?

Even a second grader could tell you that styles make fights.

See my post below. It's quite sad reallly if you honestly can't grasp this.

Kessler was almost blind in one eye going into the fight and had double vision after about round 4

All of the following attributes (which is what made Kessler such a good fighter) have deteriorated considerably since the Calzaghe fight.

handspeed
counterpunching
jab
right cross - technique
lefthook - technique
combination punching
Punching accuracy

If you're honestly telling yourself that and acting like they are anywhere near the same version of Kessler....lol

[-Boxzilla-]

my biggest problem with the fight were the score cards ... cause i had it much closer. and 120-108 was just disgusting. bute completely outclassed sakio when they fought (tho it wasnt the most entertaining fight). although bute's style is obviuosly more conducive to bika.

but i thought ward had the pedigree and skill to box bika using a jab movement counters. but he won by using that ugly boring mauling headbutting and wrestling. not a fan of ward or his style, but he did win so hes gotta get some credit.

[-Boxzilla-]

See my post below. It's quite sad reallly if you honestly can't grasp this.

ive said the same thing ... since then zags fight hes pushing his right, his left is slapping and even his jab isnt as good or well timed. theres no doubt zags got the much better version of kess then both froch and ward did

[Proff Griff]

See my post below. It's quite sad reallly if you honestly can't grasp this.

If Ward was a white fighter, the proverbial NSB Klitschko Klansman Mikhnienko and Freedom fighter would happily swing on his testicles.




Any time either poster deciphers a black fighters talent or history, it's always negative with hate. No matter who the fighter happens to be. This moron doesn't even like Sugar Ray Robinson or Ali.




Those excuses you made for Kessler are pathetically ignorant. Ward eviscerated that man. Get over it. Kessler has.

[Check]

I'm not a fan of Wards but I do like that he has become Europes number 1 enemy.

[Mikhnienko]

my biggest problem with the fight were the score cards ... cause i had it much closer. and 120-108 was just disgusting. bute completely outclassed sakio when they fought (tho it wasnt the most entertaining fight). although bute's style is obviuosly more conducive to bika.

but i thought ward had the pedigree and skill to box bika using a jab movement counters. but he won by using that ugly boring mauling headbutting and wrestling. not a fan of ward or his style, but he did win so hes gotta get some credit.

Agreed. There's no way to definitivly know but i'm of the opinion that Ward fought Bika the way he did cuz he simply couldn't impliment an outside game and isn't as good an outside fighter and boxer as some, myself include, thought. Not having the power to get Bika's respect and keep him off also played a role though.

ive said the same thing ... since then zags fight hes pushing his right, his left is slapping and even his jab isnt as good or well timed. theres no doubt zags got the much better version of kess then both froch and ward did

Agree too. He was still quite susscessful landing his right cross as a counter punch vs Froch in spite of this though. If the Kessler that fought Andrade fought Froch it would have been a very bad night for Froch.

Bute's counterpunching, which is tremendous, is a big reason why i think he would handle Froch convincingly. He just leaves himself so open to counters. Bute would have a field day landing his right hook over Froch's jab which he shoots from and returns to his hip. Doesn't use his shoulder, doesn't roll with shots, doesn't bring his right over to protect the left side of his face. His right side is very unprotected too.

If Ward was a white fighter, the proverbial NSB Klitschko Klansman Mikhnienko and Freedom fighter would happily swing on his testicles.




Any time either poster deciphers a black fighters talent or history, it's always negative with hate. No matter who the fighter happens to be. This moron doesn't even like Sugar Ray Robinson or Ali.




Those excuses you made for Kessler are pathetically ignorant. Ward eviscerated that man. Get over it. Kessler has.

Don't know why im even responding too you since you're a troll but in any event. Saad Muhammad, James Toney, Mcclellan, Charles are some of my favourite fighters ever. One common theme between them, they aren't pus*ies. Also Robinson was a phenomenal fighter, all i said was that he was a complete piece of **** outside the ring, which he was.

No they're accurate, what's sad is you're a boxing fan yet can't see this which shows that you don't know wtf you're watching. Also note how i have the same criticism regarding Froch and his fight with Kessler.

[Clint650]

and by the way Ward DID NOT start the dirty tactics this fight, Bika started them and Ward gave it back to him and rightfully so

but bashing Ward is common this on this board, I am sure some people would love to see Ward go away or something so Froch can have a better chance at winning the Super 6 but it won't happen! hahaha Ward is winning this Super 6 like it or not, only way he loses is if Abraham or Froch catches him with something he doesn't see coming and KO's him, but Ward uses outstanding defense and is very quick and both Abraham AND FROCH will be too slow for Ward, Glen Johnson IMO would give Ward the toughest FIGHT as far as guys who are left in this Tournament

why talk about calslappy??? lets put it this way, who would u pick in a fight over ward in this tourney??? name one person?? only person who i really think gives him a hard time is glen johnson. ward seems to be that much better than all of em, the way he fights he adapts almost mayweather-esque.

mayweather esque? don't know about that but i hope all the hype turns true because a lot of you speak of him like hes the second coming. right now, froch has the most class inside the ring and ward beating froch in impressive fashion outside of oakland is what he needs to silence his critics. another hometown fight doesnt do anything for him

[Hitman932]

mayweather esque? don't know about that but i hope all the hype turns true because a lot of you speak of him like hes the second coming. right now, froch has the most class inside the ring and ward beating froch in impressive fashion outside of oakland is what he needs to silence his critics. another hometown fight doesnt do anything for him

It's really annoying when people harp on Ward about being in Oakland. It's not as if he would have been challenged in any of his wins had the fight been elsewhere.

People also don't like to admit that they had no problem with Ward fighting at home 3 times initially because they all thought he was gonne get his ass kicked by Kessler anyway.

So far as I am concerned the 3 home fights were a small consolation for being forced to fight the consensus #1 man in the entire division in his very first big fight.

Only after Ward whooped Kessler's ass did all the negro hating Euro lovers come out of the woodwork looking for ways to trash Ward.

Bottom line is this:

Andre Ward will have to win a neutral site fight to win the Super 6 and quite possibly 2 of them.

Everyone has known from the start that the final cannot be at home for Ward and the semi-final most likely will not be either.... yet they still harp on him for fighting at home because quite simply they cannot think of anything better.

Lucian Bute... now there is a ***** who will still be fighting at home when Ward is winning the Super 6 away from home.