Does Anyone Think Andre Ward Would Of Beat Prime Calzaghe At 168lb?

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

lmao your own posts show you had oscar to beat pac, hatton to beat pac, cotto and clottey to beat pac

no doubt you will lie and deny it, but your posts show otherwise

I had Pacquaiao beating Hatton, FACT, search my posts. I don't need to lie about that because I can search it easily and provide proof.

Oh, looky,

Seriously, though. Pacquiao. There's a case for Hatton if the variables were a little more in his favor and with a quick start, but, this isn't the MEN anymore, the referee should be attentive at his job, the punch-resistance isn't quite what it was, and the strategy he tries to follow will mislead him into a poor opening. After he starts badly and realizes this guy has movement and tricks on him, that he isn't out-timing or out-maneuvering ****, he's going to be in 2 minds, Pac will have the headstart and will get the extension he needs on his punches frequently enough to get Hatton ready for a brutal kill around 8, 9 or 10. And it won't be all about the left-cross either, Manny will bring out shots Hatton isn't going to see coming.

Pacquiao T/KO RD 8-10.

My only error was giving Hatton credit that he could last longer than he did, although another of my posts at the time stressed that how long he would last was dependent on just how bad of a start he would make and that he could fall early.


Now, you ****** bindipper, maybe you could provide proof 'in my posts' of these erroneous calls I made?

Except you can't, because,

I didn't make a public call on Pac-Clottey, being on hiatus in the months leading up to that fight - though, if I had, my call would have been Pac by decision. Never has a fight looked more like I envisaged in my mind than Pac-Clottey. That one was not rocket-science, any dumbass should have seen how that fight would play out.

I also never made a public call on Pac-Oscar, because I wasn't posting in the buildup to that fight.

And I had Pacquiao beating Cotto.


So, you lied about posts that didn't even exist and made up false predictions for the fights I did call. Moron.

No. Ward wouldn't throw enough to stay in the fight. Joe walks through whatever counters he catches and thoroughly outworks him for a decision. If Ward had some pop he'd be a lot more troublesome to an in and out flurry fighter like Calzaghe.

That's right, be a good little Englishman and stand by the BBC Sports Personality Of The Year 2007. **sNiCkEr**

[Abaris]

Calzaghe retired at 37 as undisputed Super-Middleweight champion and Light-Heavyweight champion with a pro career record of 46-0, half of them title fights and with a K.O. percentage of 70%. As an amateur his record was 110-10.

I like Ward, he's a good fighter but what Calzaghe did over his career was exceptional, as Chad Dawson recently demonstrated. I'll favour Calzaghe to win this fight until Ward posts superior career numbers.

Those siding against Calzaghe should also remember that the fight he always lost was the next one.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

I'll favour Calzaghe to win this fight until Ward posts superior career numbers.

That's the most banal and lazy reasoning.


"Exceptional"? - in some ways. In other facets, Joe's Greatness is a deception. And that's from someone who followed him for years.

[Walterson]

That's the most banal and lazy reasoning.


"Exceptional"? - in some ways. In other facets, Joe's Greatness is a deception. And that's from someone who followed him for years.

I lol'd at exceptional too, poor dude must be on the same coke as Calzaghe.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

I lol'd at exceptional too, poor dude must be on the same coke as Calzaghe.

Well, I'm sure Ward can finish with greater career accomplishments than Calzaghe, even if he never retains his "0" by replicating that glittering, unmatched run of defences padded with the like of Thornberry, Starie, Jimenez, Pudwill, Salem, Veit, McIntrye, Sobot, Mkrtchyan, Ashira.

So 15 years or so from now, there's a good chance we can bring Abaris those "career numbers" he needs to break down a matchup.

[IronDanHamza]

Well, I'm sure Ward can finish with greater career accomplishments than Calzaghe, even if he never retains his "0" by replicating that glittering, unmatched run of defences padded with the like of Thornberry, Starie, Jimenez, Pudwill, Salem, Veit, McIntrye, Sobot, Mkrtchyan, Ashira.

So 15 years or so from now, there's a good chance we can bring Abaris those "career numbers" he needs to break down a matchup.

Ward is like 10 years younger than Calzaghe was when he retired and there resumes are about even in terms of opponents. I have no doubt in my mind when Ward retires he will have a better resume than Calzaghe, regardless to if he looses his 0 or not.

[Kris Silver]

Hopkins Calzaghe ended in a stalemate, sure he got the official SD win, but its debated.

It wasn't a stale mate, it was a close fight which was only a fight because one side chased an actual fight. No matter what you'd prefer to believe, consensus is Calzaghe won that fight, period. It was also his first at the weight and a bad night.

Calazghe's fake credibility lies with the one sided beat down of a hype job, unproven titlist and passed it legends? What has he done to gain any earnest merit?

You could probably merely just say, beat a younger, unbeaten, better Kessler. Because isn't that the main thing as for Ward's credibility. Hypocrisy or proven wrong are your 2 options, I bet I can tell which one you'll fall under.

Oh, don't they just?

If you think Ward isn't possessed of far more dimensions than Lacy, Pavlik and even Dawson (who is great at what he does, but he doesn't do it all), you're nuts.

Where did I say I didn't think Ward possesses more dimensions than Lacy, Pavlik, and Dawson? You know what they say about assumptions.

For what it's worth, I think Ward is definitely a way better all rounder than Pavlik and Lacy, though that would have partially been accepted back then in fairness. Pavlik and Lacy were not necessarily so much favoured to outclass Calzaghe, more KO him.

Dawson is good but a year ago so many were sure he was better and would have beaten Calzaghe. Fast forward a year, he's lost, been exposed as less good just like others. It's the same old story.

1. Ward is the best of those. 2. That doesn't mean he'd beat Calzaghe, nor does it mean the same old pattern isn't to some degree repeating itself.

Some of us expected big things of Ward before he beat Kessler, because we knew what he could do, and predicted he would arrive in style against Kessler. In your deluded mind, Calzaghe can't be beaten by anyone shy of SRR. So what do you base Calzaghe's invincibility on? Oh, yeah, his win over Kessler, because it sure can't be how he looked against Hopkins, LMAO.

Some people expect big things of a lot of fighters because they want it. I fail to accept Ward was as anywhere near as highly touted pre Kessler win as he is post. It went from, a nervous, cautious "close fight" feel to, he'd dominate anyone. Now I exaggerate, but the fact remains, his credibility grew exponentially beyond what that one win deserved, which too is a common pattern of up and coming US fighters, I'm afraid to say. Don't say even just on the fighters and outcomes mentioned that doesn't carry some pattern and credibility.

Who cares if he's American? Ward has everything in his toolkit to give Calzaghe fits. Deal with it.

Honestly I don't care. I do admire Ward's skills even if he does play a bit dirty. He is the best SMW at the moment imo which shows I pay him his dues, but he's not had many fights yet at SMW and people do get carried away. Stick him in with Pascal, Hopkins, Dawson, it wouldn't surprise me if he'd pick up a loss at all. That I'm afraid I couldn't say for Calzaghe as given the Hopkins fight, the recent Dawson loss Calzaghe would beat them and Ward imo. Ward would give Calzaghe a hell of a fight agreed, but I don't see him doing any 2 things that much better than Calzaghe that would say you'd have to favour him. Calzaghe's also proven to churn out difficult wins, as of yet, he doesn't have that so much on his side either.

[Grimmer]

It's hard to determine what a "Prime Calzaghe" is.

Any version of Calz from the Eubank win to the RJJ win beats Ward. Calz would just dominate him in the centre.

The sort of people who say "Ward would win" are probably the same haters who thought Lacy would destroy Calz.

[badnewsbrown]

calzaghe beats the hell outta him

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

Where did I say I didn't think Ward possesses more dimensions than Lacy, Pavlik, and Dawson? You know what they say about assumptions.

Well, you seemed to be implying that Ward is just another guy they're building up to beat him, like he's not distinct. You shouldn't worry so much about what "they" say.

For what it's worth, I think Ward is definitely a way better all rounder than Pavlik and Lacy, though that would have partially been accepted back then in fairness. Pavlik and Lacy were not necessarily so much favoured to outclass Calzaghe, more KO him.

Dawson is good but a year ago so many were sure he was better and would have beaten Calzaghe. Fast forward a year, he's lost, been exposed as less good just like others. It's the same old story.

1. Ward is the best of those. That doesn't mean he'd beat Calzaghe, nor does it mean the same old pattern isn't to some degree repeating itself.

So, what does mean someone would beat Calzaghe, if not elite skills? You talk as if Calzaghe is invincible and I'd like to know what *you* base that on. What did Joe do that gives you that impression? His "0" isn't enough.


The "pattern" isn't "repeating" because Ward isn't those guys, he's got more to offer already and he isn't even at his peak. Plus, Calzaghe isn't active, so the pattern can't repeat because a fight between them can't even be mooted beyond fantasy terms - all that can happen is guys who "want" to believe "big things" can sit here and claim Calzaghe would have been unbeatable to every last elite guy who comes down the pike for the next 20 years.

Some people expect big things of a lot of fighters because they want it. I fail to accept Ward was as anywhere near as highly touted pre Kessler win as he is post. It went from, a nervous, cautious "close fight" feel to, he'd dominate anyone. Now I exaggerate, but the fact remains, his credibility grew exponentially beyond what that one win deserved, which too is a common pattern of up and coming US fighters, I'm afraid to say. Don't say even just on the fighters and outcomes mentioned that doesn't carry some pattern and credibility.

And some people expect big things because they see talent and a confluence of elements required to make an exceptional boxing career, and understand what that talent and makeup could potentially achieve. Those in the know understood what Ward was capable of and what strings he had to his bow.


So what if Ward was more touted after Kessler? Isn't that true of any fighter's emergence into the light? How much was Joe touted before Lacy or Kessler, even in Britain? LMAO. Ward's credibility didn't grow "exponentially", he was always considered to have great potential. People who didn't really know that much of him jumped on the wagon after, that's standard. Happened to Calzaghe after he pounded on Lacy.

Honestly I don't care.

Right, so then it's not an issue, unless we're also going to bring up the alarming number of Brits in this thread claiming Ward has "no chance" with Calzaghe.