Interesting video on drug test issue

[mikemurni]

Damn.....LOL

Damn my ass... Those post were answered and shutdown you moron..

[deejd]

****in ****.. are you slow? You dont get it do you? Floyd could have made Mosley fight at 154 if he wanted but he didn't. Berto-Mosley fight had nothing to do with it since Mosley never had leverage over Floyd.

I mean since you opened this topic up that Floyd wanted to fight 154. Then why didnt he forced Mosley fight at 154 after his negotiations with Pac was unsuccessfuol.

Is the same with his so called steroid test demand. Floyd made Mosley take the test he wanted to prove consistently that he was "cleaning up the sport"..

Are you ****ting me.. After Dela Hoya, Arum said JMM, Hatton..Arum after the Hatton fight said Mosley, Margarito.. After Cotto, he said Margarito, Foreman, Floyd. And when Pac beats Marg, Arum is thinking of Cotto, Williams, Mayweather..The point is all of those are fights that he plucks out of thin air.
Did all of this fights happened? Did any of them ever been negotiated at all?

If Pac contracted himself, then Floyd himself look like a fool in the media. Hahaha Pac does not hold that distinction on his own.. The Mayweathers are the kings of contradiction..

Why would Mayweather want Mosley to move up and fight at '54 when that's where Mosley had the least success in his career at? If Mosley's been training to make '47 already (for Berto, for the slow ones who can't make the correlation), why would you go the other way to '54? I find it slow for anyone to even pose the question 'why didn't Mayweather make the Mosley fight at '54?' Makes a lot of sense....?

His negotiations with Pacquiao were unsuccessful because Pacquiao wouldn't do what the clean athlete would do and go through with the testing. Not because of the weight, so that point, not so much a point than another ignorant statement. Predictable.

You're officially done. You just said after DLH, Arum said JMM Hatton. Arum just says random names right, that never come to fruition right? Pacquiao fought Hatton next, so you just made yourself look like an idiot by backing up what I said and completely going against your initial statement...... This is where you really lost it.

"After the Hatton fight they said Mosley, Margarito.." You're done, son! Margarito was suspended after the Mosley fight earlier that year, his name was never mentioned, son. Roach named Mayweather, Mosley, and Cotto, claiming Mayweather was the "easiest" of the three. Mayweather was coming back and was already slated for JMM. Mosley stalked Pacquiao and they avoided Mosley and decided to make Cotto put his '47 lb. title up at '45. Son. So guess what? You said Arum just name drops everyone and the fights don't actually happen... well, Cotto happened. Son. After Cotto, they said they wanted Mayweather and if not him, they'd go up to challenge Yuri Foreman because he was on the undercard and didn't look special. You're done, son.

Consider you're posting privileges revoked. You just talked down about Pacquiao's promoter, called him a crock of BS (which he presumably is) and then I had to help you see that Arum delivered on his names (predictably on each one) until drug testing was mentioned.

If Pacquiao knew you were posting, the guy would be ashamed.

[Ryannn]

Say what? Pac lied? Well...my name is Ryann and any lie Pac tells is ok with me!

yeah, gbp and floyd never lie

[deejd]

Spoken like a true *****.. redundant, idiotic and predictable..

So what if he can make WW? In fact, this one already contradict your first argument about the weight. Now you are saying that Floyd can make WW.. What happened to your argument about the "concession" of Floyd to Pac about fighting at '47 instead of 154. So who is contracting who now??

In any case, Floyd is still not conceding **** since he violated the terms of his contract with JMM by coming in over the limit. It doesn't matter whethter he came in at 146 (below the real WW limit) because the agreed upon weight was 144. The fact is he wasnt professional enough to honor the agreement of the contract he signed. Instead he snookered JMM by using the provision of the penalty clause he had in the contract to bail himself out.

Which is what the high penalty clause is all about.. To force him to honor the the provision of the contract that he would sign and not give him the benefit to pay out his way of the agreement.

Because Pac wasn't confident fighting above 147 in 2009 as he is now. What so hard to understand about that. Thats your answer right there... Unlike at 143 with Mosley, Pac had demonstrated he could fight at 147 with De La Hoya so agreeing to fight at WW and below was not an issue. But even then it was a trial period thats why there was a catchweight of 145 against Cotto..

ANd you are making **** up again.. there was never a negotiation with Foreman. You even know what the term means. You need to make a formal offer first before you start negotiating. There was never an offer because Pac immediately shut that down..

Yes or No questions, just answer...

Concession means to grant.

If Mayweather says "I want the fight at '54" first and Pacquiao says "no", is that making a concession?

If Pacquiao says, "I want the fight at '47" after and Mayweather says "yes", is that making a concession?

Has Floyd Mayweather ever failed to make the 147 lb. weight limit?

Please explain

Why didn't Pacquiao sign up to fight Mosley, who held the WBA title after beating Margarito, at '43, which is the weight requested by Pacquiao, or '40, which Mosley stated he was willing to fight Pacquiao at?


Arum and Foreman, "open talks" aka negotiating, kid.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/spor...bob-arum-.html

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/284780

[mikemurni]

Why would Mayweather want Mosley to move up and fight at '54 when that's where Mosley had the least success in his career at? If Mosley's been training to make '47 already (for Berto, for the slow ones who can't make the correlation), why would you go the other way to '54? I find it slow for anyone to even pose the question 'why didn't Mayweather make the Mosley fight at '54?' Makes a lot of sense....?

His negotiations with Pacquiao were unsuccessful because Pacquiao wouldn't do what the clean athlete would do and go through with the testing. Not because of the weight, so that point, not so much a point than another ignorant statement. Predictable.

You're officially done. You just after DLH, Arum said JMM Hatton. Arum just says random names right, that never come to fruition right? Pacquiao fought Hatton next, so you just made yourself look like an idiot by backing up what I said and completely going against your initial statement...... This is where you really lost it.

"Hatton fight said Mosley, Margarito.." You're done, son! Margarito was suspended after the Mosley fight earlier that year, his name was never mentioned, son. Roach named Mayweather, Mosley, and Cotto, claiming Mayweather was the "easiest" of the three. Mayweather was coming back and was already slated for JMM. Mosley stalked Pacquiao and they avoided Mosley and decided to make Cotto put his '47 lb. title up at '45. Son. So guess what? You said Arum just name drops everyone and the fights don't actually happen... well, Cotto happened. Son. After Cotto, they said they wanted Mayweather and if not him, they'd go up to challenge Yuri Foreman because he was on the undercard and didn't look special. You're done, son.

Consider you're posting privileges revoked. You just talked down about Pacquiao's promoter, called him a crock of BS (which he presumably is) and then I had to help you see that Arum delivered on his names (predictably on each one) until drug testing was mentioned.

If Pacquiao knew you were posting, the guy would be ashamed.

Ok now your argument are all over the place. Unlike you I actually keep track of my arguments thats why I know what I would say will always be consistent all through out..

You said that Floyd made a concession by agreeing to a 147 fight with Pac. So I countered that Floyd did not because his bail out fight with Mosley was at 147 eventhough he can force Mosley to fight at 154.. Had he really had plans to fight at 154 then after the negotiations failed, his next fight should have been at 154.

Mosley's success at 147 is irrelevent to the points that both you and I are tryin to argue, which obviously you couln't get because you are a moron.. In fact, I can even argue a step forward by askin' why Floyd didnt fight a fighter who was campaigning at 154 if his intentions were really to move up in weight to 154?...

As far as the negotiations failing, both camps were at fault. Unlike you, I can concede that team Pac were also in the wrong... This is different from your view wherein you blindly assume that team Mayweather is always on the righteous side of this issue because you just love FLoyd so much.

As far as Arum statement.. I knew what I said in my previous replies. And I said "Arum was throwing out fights from 140, 147, 154. Some absurd, some are not" (post #200). I never said that all of them did not happen. In the case of Foreman-Pac, it did not happen because Pac didnt want that fight and had no intention in negotiating that fight. And I am not here to be Arum's apologist which is what you are tryin' to do for Mayweather so I dont give a **** if my point of view of Arum as scumbag is true or not....

You on the other hand had argued about the penalty clause and conceded that Floyd can make 147, and yet when we talk about the weight limit you backtrack by sayin' he wanted to fight at 154? So which one is it? In fact, where is your consistency there?


All of your points have been shutdown, in fact all of them had not made any sense at all and had been redundant to the point when you are just tryin too hard..

[mikemurni]

Yes or No questions, just answer...

Concession means to grant.

If Mayweather says "I want the fight at '54" first and Pacquiao says "no", is that making a concession?

If Pacquiao says, "I want the fight at '47" after and Mayweather says "yes", is that making a concession?

Has Floyd Mayweather ever failed to make the 147 lb. weight limit?

Please explain

Why didn't Pacquiao sign up to fight Mosley, who held the WBA title after beating Margarito, at '43, which is the weight requested by Pacquiao, or '40, which Mosley stated he was willing to fight Pacquiao at?


Arum and Foreman, "open talks" aka negotiating, kid.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/spor...bob-arum-.html

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/284780

First you have to established that Floyd had real intention to fight at 154. If not, then what concession did he give.

Negotiations ******* also needs to be a two way street. You need to have dialogue between both parties if the negotiations to be a two way street and to know if it succeded or failed.

Arum is promoter of both fighters which means that he cannot set a dialogue with himself.. How can there be "open talks" when team Pac had no intention of fighting at 154 in the first place..

You moron, now you want to discuss "why he fought Cotto and not Mosley".
He fought Cotto because Cotto was a top rank fighter. Both fights are viable and would give him credit except that Cotto is a more lucrative opponent compared to Mosley for obvious reason. What does that have to do with what we are arguing??

In any case, you wouldnt give Pac any credit of taking the fight anyway had he agreed to fight Mosley at 140 so your point there is totally moot and lame at the same time.

[bsinoka123]

Fact that Pacquiao went on TV and claimed to have "Agreed to testing all the way up" And we just find out he didnt really bugs me... He need to lie so he wouldnt get question on why he was fighting Margarito and by lying that he agreed to OST he would have made it look like Mayweather was the one who duck the fight.

No wonder Team Mayweather claimed there was NO negotiation, No wonder Mayweather said he was on Vacation, If you going to comeback with 7 days then NO negotiation Period!!!

Floyd said "all he (Manny) has to do is call me". Manny called Floyd publicly and as you said yourself, Manny went on TV and claimed to have agreed to testing all the way up. At least he had the courage to go on TV and risk the humiliation if proven to be lying. Now, I'm waiting for Floyd to muster enough courage to go on TV and say that Manny is lying. This no negotiation scenario was proven to be a lie so theres no need to comment on that

[Reloaded]

Floyd said "all he (Manny) has to do is call me". Manny called Floyd publicly and as you said yourself, Manny went on TV and claimed to have agreed to testing all the way up. At least he had the courage to go on TV and risk the humiliation if proven to be lying. Now, I'm waiting for Floyd to muster enough courage to go on TV and say that Manny is lying. This no negotiation scenario was proven to be a lie so theres no need to comment on that

Pacs own team called Pac a liar why does Floyd need too it was already exposed on National TV .

[DiLLiNGER]

yea good video and it's all truth.

[deejd]

Ok now your argument are all over the place. Unlike you I actually keep track of my arguments thats why I know what I would say will always be consistent all through out..

You said that Floyd made a concession by agreeing to a 147 fight with Pac. So I countered that Floyd did not because his bail out fight with Mosley was at 147 eventhough he can force Mosley to fight at 154.. Had he really had plans to fight at 154 then after the negotiations failed, his next fight should have been at 154.

Mosley's success at 147 is irrelevent to the points that both you and I are tryin to argue, which obviously you couln't get because you are a moron.. In fact, I can even argue a step forward by askin' why Floyd didnt fight a fighter who was campaigning at 154 if his intentions were really to move up in weight to 154?...

As far as the negotiations failing, both camps were at fault. Unlike you, I can concede that team Pac were also in the wrong... This is different from your view wherein you blindly assume that team Mayweather is always on the righteous side of this issue because you just love FLoyd so much.

As far as Arum statement.. I knew what I said in my previous replies. And I said "Arum was throwing out fights from 140, 147, 154. Some absurd, some are not" (post #200). I never said that all of them did not happen. In the case of Foreman-Pac, it did not happen because Pac didnt want that fight and had no intention in negotiating that fight. And I am not here to be Arum's apologist which is what you are tryin' to do for Mayweather so I dont give a **** if my point of view of Arum as scumbag is true or not....

You on the other hand had argued about the penalty clause and conceded that Floyd can make 147, and yet when we talk about the weight limit you backtrack by sayin' he wanted to fight at 154? So which one is it? In fact, where is your consistency there?


All of your points have been shutdown, in fact all of them had not made any sense at all and had been redundant to the point when you are just tryin too hard..

"You said that Floyd made a concession by agreeing to a 147 fight with Pac."

This has been the main point, from the jump. You bringing in Mosley is a whole different topic. Also, it's not a bail out fight. If that's the case, Clottey was Pacquiao's bail out fight. Let's be honest here, Mayweather agreed to everything Pacquiao wanted. It was Pacquiao who wouldn't agree to random testing, he fleed, he ran, he bailed out.

Since we're talking about Mosley now, because you brought him up, his resume is a lot better at '47 than it is at '54. It also makes no sense seeing that the reason for his return to '47 was to fight Mayweather. That was his whole point for coming back because that particular division was hot. So I'll pull out the violin for your garbage baseless and naive question, 'why didn't he fight Mosley at '54."

"Unlike you, I can concede that team Pac were also in the wrong... "

What did Mayweather do wrong? He requested from the start in December '09, random drug testing. From the jump! Pacquiao said no, then tried to dictate the timing of the test at 30 days, and Mayweather comprised and pitched meeting in the middle. That's fair right? Pacquiao said no, again. Just think to yourself, brick. Why would somebody want to know when a drug test is going to happen?

Just think. If somebody who smokes marijuana on a consistent basis is notified by their employer, there will be a drug test administered at some point within the next week, you better believe they're not smoking weed in that time prior to the test. Now if that person is smoking marijuana on a consistent basis and their employer says, over the course of eight weeks, there will be random drug testing, well.... they play it straight and they pass, they want to live life on the edge and test the system, good luck.

"You on the other hand had argued about the penalty clause and conceded that Floyd can make 147, and yet when we talk about the weight limit you backtrack by sayin' he wanted to fight at 154?"

If Floyd has made the 147 lb. weight limit every contest he has fought (where Pacquiao wanted the fight), then how can you threaten somebody with a $10 million penalty who has never signed a contractual agreement to fight at '47 and then not made that weight limit?

You're crying, "he didn't make '44 for Marquez so that penalty needed to be in the contract." Well, when he weighed in for the Marquez bout, he was 146, that's a lb. under '47, guy. Pacquiao wanted to fight Mayweather at '47, when has he ever came in over '47? Mayweather just fought Mosley at '47, and he made '47, as usual. But Mayweather didn't cry or complain, he accepted that stipulation. Concession: granted.

You say I backtrack... If you're fast, then you'd understand that I'm going in chronological order. Mayweather wanted '54 first. Pac counters with '47 because he also wants 8 oz. gloves. Mayweather says "OK." Mayweather still hasn't budged on random testing, since he hasn't, let's throw the ultimatum say Pacquiao, "we want a $10 million penalty for every pound over the '47 limit." Mayweather says "OK." Then the scramble for excuses is on. That is how everything unfolded.

The penalty didn't come before the weight discussion, that's where you're getting your argument stumped. You're saying I'm backtracking, when in reality, you're working all over the map, but more importantly, in reverse.You need to know your history before you can move forward, youngster.