Interesting video on drug test issue

[deejd]

No, he had those terms in for the third bout when Pacquiao was dictating terms. And Pacquiao was forcing Morales to fight at a weight he didn't want. How about you stop making **** up and either answer with an HONEST response or get your dumbass off this thread?

As matter of fact, didn't he move up and get worked by Raheem at 135 because he struggled making the '30 lb limit? I clearly rmember Pacquiao enforcing that into the contract, because for the third bout, Morales came in at '32, was penalized, and Pac had the choice to cancel the fight.

Just like Diego Corrales had the choice to cancel his fight against Castillo in the rematch when he came in over. Just like Ali Funeka could have done when Guzman came in at a whopping 9 lbs. over the '35 limit and when Nate Campbell came in 2 lbs. over in the contest at light a fight before that.

Pacquiao fans, they're timeless.

[mikemurni]

Mayweather fought DLH at '54, Hatton at '47. Pacquiao says after the fight with Cotto if they don't get Mayweather then they may make the jump to '54 and go for a world title. That's when Mayweather requested to take the fight to '54. At that time, Sergio Martinez was WBC interim titleholder though. That's when Pacquiao said to bring it back to '47. So, Mayweather obliged.

I say hypotheticals because you make it seem as if Mayweather would come in at 149 when he's able to make '47. You say that's not a concession because he "cheated" so he should. Keyword, should, but he didn't have to agree to that, he chose to agree to Pacquiao's penalty stipulation, it's that simple. Concession: granted.

WTF, stop making things up.. Arum wanted to Pac fight Foreman at 154 after the negotiations failed. But team Pac rejected that proposal.

Ofcourse he can come in at 149... If he came in at 146 for a 144 weight limit. What would stop him from coming at 149 on WW fight. Thats why its an insurance more than a concession..

[deejd]

Thats not the point..The point is that the stipulated weight in the contract was not honored by Floyd.. Meaning he violated the terms of the contract.. We are talking about contract points here, right? It doesn't matter whether it was 145 or 147.. He paid his way out of that stipulation. Thats the point...

Right, but you're stating that Pacquiao's team wanted Mayweather to weigh-in at '47 right? What would give them the idea that Mayweather can't make '47, seeing that he weighed 146 in his last fight?

So they said, every pound over 147 is a $10 million penalty. They made that outrageous stipulation because they thought Mayweather would make a big deal out of it. They were wrong, he's not obligated to fulfill that stipulation, but he did anyway, just like Pacquiao isn't obligated to fulfill random testing... only difference, is he doubly came up short. Not only did Mayweather accept his demand, but he also ran away from a single demand requested of him.

[IMDAZED]

I am referring to the first fight.. There were 3 fights, remember? And Morales was already having weight problem even in their first fight. However Pac was also at disadvantage because he was the guy coming from the lower weight class. However in the first fight, it was Morales who had leverage but chose 130. This was his choice and because his profile was higher compared to Pac at that time, Pac had no choice but to agree.

The third fight moron was a rematch clause from the second fight.. Morales exercised his rights to fight Pac for a rubber match. The stipulation of the contract was already setup and the same for all 3 fights with the difference being the purse split. Ofcourse, it can be changed because its not signed but if you want to know the truth, Pac had leverage this time considering that it was Morales who was coming out from a KO loss.

This is different from Pac and Floyd. Neither of them has leverage over the other.

So who is making things up now.

yeah but I was referring to the third fight. Why did Pac do it. Answer or **** off.

[WarriorSoul]

Bonds got press. McGuire got press. A-Rod got press. Sosa got press. Merriman got press. Marion Jones got press. Caminiti got press. Tim Montgomery got press. Loads more have got press. You know what though? Years after their careers ended (and a few whilst still playing competing today), the truth came to light.

What we do know is Josie Harris pulled the same deal back in '03. We also know that as she testified under oath in court during that time, she stated that she lied about the whole assault case that she filed against Mayweather because she was jealous that he left her for somebody else. You know what's so weird, that same chick is filing the same complaint at the same time that she found out Mayweather was marrying another woman. Coincidence?

There's a thing about media.... it's called uhhhh, bias. Mayweather's never been embraced by the media because he's taken the route that boxing PR didn't want him too. You know what though? Boxing doesn't like the guy, you don't like the guy, the majority don't like the guy, and the ironic part is that you still buy his fights and if you don't, well, you still devote you dear ol' important time to watch his fights. The truth stands that you have the privileged to not only hate, but witness the greatest fighter of this era.

Perception is reality? By public opinion, everybody perceived LeBron as being the next MJ. Was he? Great logic!

Mayweather got press. So what's your point? He's on something too? Your point is moot. Athlete gets attention of press!! Holy **** that's news to me.

So Floyd's baby mama might be a liar (allegedly, but still pending investigation and trial), but tell me, has Mayweather ever been convicted for beating a woman? So again, your logic fails.

I agreed with this paragraph until the bolded parts:

There's a thing about media.... it's called uhhhh, bias. Mayweather's never been embraced by the media because he's taken the route that boxing PR didn't want him too. You know what though? Boxing doesn't like the guy, you don't like the guy, the majority don't like the guy, and the ironic part is that you still buy his fights and if you don't, well, you still devote you dear ol' important time to watch his fights. The truth stands that you have the privileged to not only hate, but witness the greatest fighter of this era.

And definitely not the underlined part.

Nice try, better luck next time.

[mikemurni]

As matter of fact, didn't he move up and get worked by Raheem at 135 because he struggled making the '30 lb limit? I clearly rmember Pacquiao enforcing that into the contract, because for the third bout, Morales came in at '32, was penalized, and Pac had the choice to cancel the fight.

Just like Diego Corrales had the choice to cancel his fight against Castillo in the rematch when he came in over. Just like Ali Funeka could have done when Guzman came in at a whopping 9 lbs. over the '35 limit and when Nate Campbell came in 2 lbs. over in the contest at light a fight before that.

Pacquiao fans, they're timeless.

Morales did not come in at '32. He was within the limit..He was '32 a few days before the weigh-in.. You are starting to make **** up now...The second fight took place because Pac wanted redemption against Morales..The third fight took place because Morales exercised the rematch clause from the second fight. Those are the facts. Anything else is subject for debate...

[mikemurni]

yeah but I was referring to the third fight. Why did Pac do it. Answer or **** off.

I just did that. Read carefully second pharagraph of my last post...

If you want to criticize Pac for that so be it.. But it was Morales who exercised the rematch clause of the second fight in order to get a rubbermatch. Pac had no intentions of fighting him anymore and was already looking for fights with Marquez or Barrera. But Morales wanted a third fight. But this time Pac had leverage so he exercised it...

[deejd]

WTF, stop making things up.. Arum wanted to Pac fight Foreman at 154 after the negotiations failed. But team Pac rejected that proposal.

Ofcourse he can come in at 149... If he came in at 146 for a 144 weight limit. What would stop him from coming at 149 on WW fight. Thats why its an insurance more than a concession..

How am I making that up? In fact, you just strengthened what I've been trying to tell you and made Pacquiao's team look like even bigger idiots. They wanted Yuri Foreman at '54 which is when Mayweather wanted the fight at '54. So why not fight Mayweather at that weight? Then they state they wanted Mayweather at '47, there you go, concession: granted. It's not hard to see that.

So if Mayweather who fully knows he's capable of making '47 decides, "okay I'm going to come in at '49 just to piss off Pacquiao and pay him $20 million", that's just going to stick it to Manny Pacquiao isn't it? Good job.

[IMDAZED]

I just did that. Read carefully second pharagraph of my last post...

If you want to criticize Pac for that so be it.. But it was Morales who exercised the rematch clause of the second fight in order to get a rubbermatch. Pac had no intentions of fighting him anymore and was already looking for fights with Marquez or Barrera. But Morales wanted a third fight. But this time Pac had leverage so he exercised it...

Thats irrelevant. Pac made instituted a weight penalty. He had no reason to. So STFU.

[mikemurni]

How am I making that up? In fact, you just strengthened what I've been trying to tell you and made Pacquiao's team look like even bigger idiots. They wanted Yuri Foreman at '54 which is when Mayweather wanted the fight at '54. So why not fight Mayweather at that weight? Then they state they wanted Mayweather at '47, there you go, concession: granted. It's not hard to see that.

So if Mayweather who fully knows he's capable of making '47 decides, "okay I'm going to come in at '49 just to piss off Pacquiao and pay him $20 million", that's just going to stick it to Manny Pacquiao isn't it? Good job.

Team Pac rejected the 154 lb fight that Arum offered, idiot. He had no plans of fighting at 154 lb fight at that time.. So what the **** is Pac conceeding...

If it wasnt for that 10M clause, Floyd would have come in at 149 and paid 600K.. Idiot, does that even make sense to you..Floyd violated his previous contract.. Pac had earned the right to demand that clause in the contract as an insurance...So no concession was given to Pac at all..