How can a fan of boxing hate on Pacquiao

[IronDanHamza]

Nah. You'll never convince me that Margarito is a
cherrypicked opponent for Manny. You're only saying
size doesn't mean a thing in this fight is because you're
not a Manny fan. How many fights have you seen in
the last ten years where there is a significant height
advantage between fighters?

Oh i wasn't aware you know who i am and aren't a fan of. Infact, i am a fan of Manny Pacqiauo, i'm guessing your another one who hasn't read my posts in this thread, i have stated several times Manny Pacqiauo has an incredible resume. All im saying is, to say he never picks weakER options than possible is a lie, but he still fights good opposition. How many have i seen? Is that a serious question? Look at pretty much all of Paul Williams' fights at 147, even as recent as Margaritos fight with Cotto, or Foyds fight with Oscar, going as recent to this year with Cottos win over Foreman, Tommy Hearns run at WW, look at the height advantages, you can be as tall as you want.

I'm not even saying Margarito is a bum, even though he hasn't looked great to say the least in his last few fights. All i'm sayig is Manny PICKED a weaker option than he could have, thats literally all im saying. I'm not hating, i watch all of Mannys fights, have done for almost a decade.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

i hate that guy...him and his mustache

[| THE KING |]

I agree that I wanted to see him test himself but since castillo no one has come close to beating him
its not his fault he is good
its his fault he wont take risks
but you cant knock him for boxing cirlcles around his opponents and making it look easy

You say this...

pacs last fights have not been against much better opposition
he fought a beaten Hatton
a faded oscar
and a bunch of come forward no defense fighters two at catchweights
he fought Cotto at 145 but Clottey at 147????WTF is that?

Then you go around and say this.

Floyds skills are undeniable.. However, Manny's opposition has always been at the elite level since his days at the lower weights. Manny challenges himself whereas Floyd.....

Cotto at 145 was due to it being Mannys first fight against a prime welterweight at 147. Once they see Manny could handle himself well against a strong fighter at this weight, Manny went at 147 with Clottey. He is doing the same thing with Marg at 154, but is likely going to stick to 140-147 after the marg fight.

Catchweights are some bullshiiit I'm with you, but they have been around boxing for some time now.. whether we like it or not it is a part of boxing.

[IronDanHamza]

You say this...



Then you go around and say this.

Floyds skills are undeniable.. However, Manny's opposition has always been at the elite level since his days at the lower weights. Manny challenges himself whereas Floyd.....

Cotto at 145 was due to it being Mannys first fight against a prime welterweight at 147. Once they see Manny could handle himself well against a strong fighter at this weight, Manny went at 147 with Clottey. He is doing the same thing with Marg at 154, but is likely going to stick to 140-147 after the marg fight.

Catchweights are some bullshiiit I'm with you, but they have been around boxing for some time now.. whether we like it or not it is a part of boxing.

You see this is something i can't agree with, had Cotto not been the champ i would be ok with but as he was its different. If your not sure you can fight at WW, then have a tune up, fight Clottey first, even at 145, im cool with that, THEN fight the champion at 147, which happened to be Miguel Cotto. But i don't agree jumping straight into a division and fighting a champion for his belt at 147 but having it at 145 because your not sure if you can fight there, thats something in my opinion i just cant agree on.

However i don't believe the 2 pounds made any difference and i give Manny full credit for fighting a top 3 ww in Cotto. If it wasn't a historical victory maybe i wouldn't be as concerned who knows.

[| THE KING |]

You see this is something i can't agree with, had Cotto not been the champ i would be ok with but as he was its different. If your not sure you can fight at WW, then have a tune up, fight Clottey first, even at 145, im cool with that, THEN fight the champion at 147, which happened to be Miguel Cotto. But i don't agree jumping straight into a division and fighting a champion for his belt at 147 but having it at 145 because your not sure if you can fight there, thats something in my opinion i just cant agree on.

However i don't believe the 2 pounds made any difference and i give Manny full credit for fighting a top 3 ww in Cotto. If it wasn't a historical victory maybe i wouldn't be as concerned who knows.

I'm with you... I don't know why Team Pacquiao insists on these ****** catchweights, esp. with titles on the line. It is what it is though.. all the politics aside, enjoy the fights.

[IronDanHamza]

I'm with you... I don't know why Team Pacquiao insists on these ****** catchweights, esp. with titles on the line. It is what it is though.. all the politics aside, enjoy the fights.

Yeah thats fair enough brother. I don't know either but as you said it is what is is, i dont think the catchweights thus far actually effect the fighters performance anyway personally.

[SmoothMon]

You see this is something i can't agree with, had Cotto not been the champ i would be ok with but as he was its different. If your not sure you can fight at WW, then have a tune up, fight Clottey first, even at 145, im cool with that, THEN fight the champion at 147, which happened to be Miguel Cotto. But i don't agree jumping straight into a division and fighting a champion for his belt at 147 but having it at 145 because your not sure if you can fight there, thats something in my opinion i just cant agree on.

However i don't believe the 2 pounds made any difference and i give Manny full credit for fighting a top 3 ww in Cotto. If it wasn't a historical victory maybe i wouldn't be as concerned who knows.

Mosley, was the champ.. Not Cotto.

[empiricix]

He's saying if Manny can fight Clottey at 147 why not fight Cotto at 147 as appose to 145. I happen to agree, not because it made a difference, i dont believe it made a difference. But why do it and give people an excuse after the fight? Especially if your going to fight Clottey at full 147 in your next fight. Just didn't and still doesnt make sense to me.

Remember that Cotto was the first full-fledged welter fight for Pac, and many were wondering whether he can take a welterweight punch or carry his power up with him. If Pac hadn't proven himself in the Cotto fight, then Clottey would never even have happened. But since Pac destroyed Cotto, then they were confident enough to take on Clottey at full 147. Comparing Cotto's catchweight and Clottey's non-catchweight fights against Pac is simply *****ing in hindsight.

In the same manner, Margarito is Pac's first fight at junior middleweight - thus, the catchweight. Now that Roach and Ariza realized that Pac really cannot balloon beyond 150 lbs. without losing his speed, they have decided that Pac has to move back down to welterweight, win or lose against Margarito.

[SmoothMon]

Yeah thats fair enough brother. I don't know either but as you said it is what is is, i dont think the catchweights thus far actually effect the fighters performance anyway personally.

I like Manny but he gets off the hook a lil to easy. He wouldnt fight the recognized champ for the ww title, and goes and fights people who dont deserve title shots. He has been carefully handled..bottom line.

[empiricix]

What are you, a ****** or something?!! Like most of the ******s here who somehow developed an acute case of amnesia in just one year, they all seems to forget that manny was a career featherweight from 2003 upto 2008. He made his first jump to lightweight with Diaz mid 2008, then was cherrypicked by Oscar late 2008 where in Manny was weigh in 142lbs for a welterweight fight, no belts, just money fight. Then fought Hatton mid 2009 weighing only 138lbs the day before the light WW title fight. So Manny's real test at welter was with Cotto, yes it was a catchweight for a WW title fight wherein Manny came in at 144lbs and Cotto at 145lbs, but Cotto doesn't really mind specially when he was only 146lbs a few months ago against Clottey. Then Manny fought Clottey next, an even bigger WW fighter, now there is no reason for a catchweight since Manny already had a feel of a WW fighter, so Manny was close to 150lbs at fight night and Clottey was huge at 165lbs. And now, once again Manny is jumping one more division and fighting Margarito for the light middleweight belt with a catchweight of 150lbs, these doesn't bother Tony at all since he is a career welter to begin with, actually the catchweight benefits Tony more than Manny..

So now just to remind you all again, Manny is 5'6" in height with a reach of 67" going against big welters and light middles with heights of 5'8"-5'11"s and arm reach of 72"-75"s, so Manny really is a midget fighting big men, and it is really hard to believe that the smaller guy is the one who is cherrypicking...

Sometimes it's just too hard to pound some common sense into some people, no matter how well you craft your explanation.