How can a fan of boxing hate on Pacquiao

[pasawayako]

I was laughing on everyone saying that they don't hate pac but his fans, why would u hate the pac fans when all they do is to praise pac just like what the other fans do. Come on haters don't be ashame to say that u hate pac because he beats all your favorite boxer or he overshadowed(floyd mayweather ) your favorite boxer.

[SmoothMon]

Remember that Cotto was the first full-fledged welter fight for Pac, and many were wondering whether he can take a welterweight punch or carry his power up with him. If Pac hadn't proven himself in the Cotto fight, then Clottey would never even have happened. But since Pac destroyed Cotto, then they were confident enough to take on Clottey at full 147. Comparing Cotto's catchweight and Clottey's non-catchweight fights against Pac is simply *****ing in hindsight.

In the same manner, Margarito is Pac's first fight at junior middleweight - thus, the catchweight. Now that Roach and Ariza realized that Pac really cannot balloon beyond 150 lbs. without losing his speed, they have decided that Pac has to move back down to welterweight, win or lose against Margarito.

I give him props for beating cotto. But he shouldnt have been fighting Cotto in the first place, he should have fought Mosley. Mosley was going to fight Clottey but backed out trying to fight Pac. Pac opted for lesser comp in Cotto, and then fought Clottey who was coming off a loss. Margs had 2 bad perfomances and a suspension. TP gets this crap off by blaming it on failed "Floyd negotiations" attempts. Boxing politics are to blame. He's an awesome fighter though.

[IronDanHamza]

Mosley, was the champ.. Not Cotto.

Yeah, i know. Mosley was THE champ, Cotto was A champ. I've been saying this throughout the thread.

[IronDanHamza]

Remember that Cotto was the first full-fledged welter fight for Pac, and many were wondering whether he can take a welterweight punch or carry his power up with him. If Pac hadn't proven himself in the Cotto fight, then Clottey would never even have happened. But since Pac destroyed Cotto, then they were confident enough to take on Clottey at full 147. Comparing Cotto's catchweight and Clottey's non-catchweight fights against Pac is simply *****ing in hindsight.

In the same manner, Margarito is Pac's first fight at junior middleweight - thus, the catchweight. Now that Roach and Ariza realized that Pac really cannot balloon beyond 150 lbs. without losing his speed, they have decided that Pac has to move back down to welterweight, win or lose against Margarito.

Yes, but this is what keeps getting brought up in this thread and its something i've replied to multiple times. If Manny doesn't feel hes ready to fight at WW, then have a tune up, fight Clottey, even at 145, im cool with that, THEN fight the champion at 147. I can't agree with jumping up to 147 to fight the champ but having it at 145 because 'he doesnt know if hes ready' like i said have a tune up, thats what there for. If he'd have moved up and fought Clottey at 145 then Cotto at 147 for the title i would be absolutly cool with it.

[V.WEBB]

Remember that Cotto was the first full-fledged welter fight for Pac, and many were wondering whether he can take a welterweight punch or carry his power up with him. If Pac hadn't proven himself in the Cotto fight, then Clottey would never even have happened. But since Pac destroyed Cotto, then they were confident enough to take on Clottey at full 147. Comparing Cotto's catchweight and Clottey's non-catchweight fights against Pac is simply *****ing in hindsight.

In the same manner, Margarito is Pac's first fight at junior middleweight - thus, the catchweight. Now that Roach and Ariza realized that Pac really cannot balloon beyond 150 lbs. without losing his speed, they have decided that Pac has to move back down to welterweight, win or lose against Margarito.

I disagree with this theory of yours. Did you forget that he fought Oscar at 147? They weren't confident that he could fight a 147lber at 147 after that fight?

He had speed against Oscar at 147. He had his power against Oscar at 147. Now, Oscar was a zombie, but Manny still looked like Manny..or even better.

[Reloaded]

Nobody hate on Pacs boxing ,

they hate on his manipulation of fighters and the politics surrounding manipulating opponets for bogus bits of tin in the name of a WT ,

they hate on CWs that always hurt his opponets , all his opponents are smaller on the night , except inhouse Clottey and Marg .

they hate on the inhouse shams that reek of corruption and fixes ,

they hate on his lies and changing his story all the time to cover his tracks .

they hate on him not allowing himself to be thoughougly tested for PEDS in the biggest fight in history .

Nobody hates on his boxing just the way its being manipulated and if he has cheated his way to where he is he doesnt deserve anything , nothing worse than a sporting cheat as it undermines everything good in a fair fight .


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[V.WEBB]

Yes, but this is what keeps getting brought up in this thread and its something i've replied to multiple times. If Manny doesn't feel hes ready to fight at WW, then have a tune up, fight Clottey, even at 145, im cool with that, THEN fight the champion at 147. I can't agree with jumping up to 147 to fight the champ but having it at 145 because 'he doesnt know if hes ready' like i said have a tune up, thats what there for. If he'd have moved up and fought Clottey at 145 then Cotto at 147 for the title i would be absolutly cool with it.

I hear where you are coming from with this here.

[empiricix]

Yes, but this is what keeps getting brought up in this thread and its something i've replied to multiple times. If Manny doesn't feel hes ready to fight at WW, then have a tune up, fight Clottey, even at 145, im cool with that, THEN fight the champion at 147. I can't agree with jumping up to 147 to fight the champ but having it at 145 because 'he doesnt know if hes ready' like i said have a tune up, thats what there for. If he'd have moved up and fought Clottey at 145 then Cotto at 147 for the title i would be absolutly cool with it.

All the more reason that we have to give him credit for fighting one of the titleholders at 147 despite the fact that there was doubt as to his effectiveness against full-fledged welterweights.

But if that is what's really bugging you, I have a simply solution for you. Simply consider Clottey as the victor over Cotto and the true champ. Thus, Cotto was the tune-up fight at a catchweight, and the title fight was against Clottey at the full 147.

[empiricix]

I disagree with this theory of yours. Did you forget that he fought Oscar at 147? They weren't confident that he could fight a 147lber at 147 after that fight?

He had speed against Oscar at 147. He had his power against Oscar at 147. Now, Oscar was a zombie, but Manny still looked like Manny..or even better.

Yeah, but weren't people saying that Oscar hardly even touched Pac, so we still didn't really know if Pac could handle a true welterweight's punch?

The problem is we tend to judge events after the facts rather than considering their context at the time they occurred.

[Neutral Corner]

I was laughing on everyone saying that they don't hate pac but his fans, why would u hate the pac fans when all they do is to praise pac just like what the other fans do. Come on haters don't be ashame to say that u hate pac because he beats all your favorite boxer or he overshadowed(floyd mayweather ) your favorite boxer.

It's because you make other pac fans look ghey.