Wladimir Klitschko vs. Derek Chisora: who will win?

[jrosales13]

Excellent answer.

Sam Peter was ranked in the top ten by both objective, computerized ranking systems:

Boxrec had him as #8 (now #10) and the the IBO had him at #7.

http://www.iboboxing.com/rankings/heavy.html

Come on don't be pathetic. You know damn well that wasn't an excellent answer. It was just a bunch of bias crap without any real validation. Honestly Chambers was in bad shape too.

Anyways. by respectable rankings boxingscene and the ring Peter was no where near the top 10. Not even close. Don't try to hype up Peter just cuz Wlad faced. Don't tryo to make that win better than what it really was.

And, lol @ bringing up boxrec rankings. I see Margarito ranked #2, Mosley #4, and Cintron #5 at 154. Yea very respectable rankings this are.

[King Ju-Ju]

Who gives a ****??? I know I don't.

[kenso]

My god you are dumb
*cracks knuckles*

Is Wlad not an elite fighter? Does he no have a name? So you damn right Wlad should rise up above the nonsense of fighting garbage fights.

i agree with you on the points that fighters should all vacate the sanctioning body belts, and im assuming you would like the RING title to be the only one that a division paid any attention to. however - you act like solis (and im pretty sure he wasn't available at the time anyway BUT i may be wrong) was THAT much better than peter. peter at least came in in shape, and he had been training seriously. the same cant be said about solis. i bet peter was as good as he had ever been - but would it make a difference against wlad? its not like he picked some fighter not even in the top 100 and made a defense against him. with that said - fighting solis is a garbage fight too. everyone knows solis would get KTFO just as bad as peter would have. the only fights that mean ANYTHING in the division (haye, adamek, povetkin, and maybe valuev) can't come to fruition because fighters are DUCKING - or in valuevs case, he prices himself out of fights. why don't you ***** more about the other guys ducking instead of the difference of fighting solis or peter. most people were more interested in the peter fight anyway - just cause peter gave him a rough night way back when.

Wait....wait.......wait. What makes you think I am only targeting Wlad? How do you know I don't target the other 50 titlists across? You must not be familiar with my history. So if you don't know what you're talking about then just STFU with that bias crap. I am not asking one single fighter to vacate. Never have never will. There is no singling out Wlad. I am asking all the elite fighters to fight top fighters period. Not just Wlad. So get familiar with my posts before you start accusing me with crap.

how ****ing ****** are you man? do you think im going to go dig through your near 20k posts and find out what your boxing views are? oh so, since apparently you keep up with every boxing scene member (because according to you, if you don't keep track of everyones history on here you don't deserve to post anything relevant to what they posted in the initial thread because you don't understand their COLLECTIVE boxing views) tell me, what was my #156th post? i mean - you would probably know before i would. you say im not familiar with history - HAHA omg this is a FORUM. i'm not even fully sure why im entertaining this post - but i guess you put so much into it i have to return the favor. your post is almost sig worthy - its just no good out of context.

on topic to this particular segment - why don't you throw in there that you want ALL titlists to vacate then? you certainly didn't mention any one else in your intial post. you just expect people to know your forum rep - but really no one gives a **** because most of what you say is probably ******ed.

Now is Wlad not an elite fighter? Is he one of the joe blows that is a titlists? If he is a joe blow and not an elite fighter. Then you know what he can fight Peter all he wants and over and over. I will not hold Wlad to the standards that elite fighters should be held to. Because, Wlad is not an elite fighter he just one of the joe blows that have a title. So he should be held to those to those low standards. Right this is what you saying right Wlad is not elite he is just a jow blow?

what the hell? i'm saying that the sanctioning bodies are full of ****. despite them being full of **** - nearly every boxer is still gunning for their titles. just because you have a title doesn't mean you are a joe blow. just because you have a title doesn't mean you are a real champ either - depends on the road you took to get it - EX: haye is a paper titlist. wlad is not, dude has fought everyone.

However, if he is an elite fighter(which I think he is obviously you don't you think he is just a johnny comelately) then he should be held to elite fighters. And, get called out for ****ty fights. Just like Pac against Margarito. They don't deserve credit for wins like that. They're elite fighters should be held to elite standards and fight top fighters. Not garbage ass fights like that.

yea, somewhere in my post i said "wlad is not an elite fighter" or something similar. oh wait on second thought, i can't find that, or how you would even get that out of my post.

once again though, the solis fight is still a "garbage ass fight" the only fights that aren't "garbage" are the ones that people give a damn about - and there are only 4 fighters wlad can fight that anyone cares about. solis isn't one of them.

also pac vs margarito is not the fight everyone wanted, but margarito is credible enough to make it acceptable. the only other people he really could have fought and made any money were Pwill and floyd. floyd didn't want pac, and it doesn't surprise anyone that pac doesn't want Pwill. how ever unlike pac, wlad has nearly ZERO options - because everyone worthwhile is ducking HIM. in pacquiaos case - he has a ton of great fighters to choose from - he just chose one that would make him some good bank.

What is this about condition? If you not a top fighter it doesn't matter what kind of condition you come in. Peter was done, did it matter that Ali was in fantastic condition against Holmes? Did somehow cuz he was in fantastic condition he became rejuvenated and a top fighter all of a sudden? No when you're done it doesn't matter what kind of condition he comes in. Peter was done, and there are/were much better fighters than that version of Peter. And, what made Peter deserving? Oh I forgot cuz he beat the ATG Nagy...... GTFOH.... Solis even in out of shape poor condition is a much better skilled, talent, and fighter than a "fantastic conditioned" "Rock hard" Peter.

TBH, i disagree. i felt like peter would have given some sort of trouble to nearly every other heavyweight not named klitschko. but again, thats my opinion - i can see your view point here, but you are acting like solis is the ultimate challenger or something. no one cares about a solis fight any more than they do a peter fight. the only one anyone cares about is haye, povetkin, haye, valuev - thats IT. the rest are just who ever is available that wants a nice beatdown. the outcome of a solis fight is no different, he wouldn't do any better. at least the peter fight is intriguing because of a rematch.

How am I acting like Wlad is ducking? This whole thread you just speaking out of your ass and assuming crap. Are Povetkin and Haye the only HWs in the World? Come on, don't be ******ed.

i mean, im assuming stuff based on heavy implications by your post - apparently you love to change directions by either not adding significant information, posting something extremely ******ed - or both.

are haye and povetkin (and adamek and valuev) the only HWs in the world? no - but they are the only ones that people want to see fight the klitschkos. looks like adamek may be the first and only one of the three to fight them, if he even does.

[FloydTBE]

I see wald wearing del boy down until the mid-late rounds, wlad wins by TKO in 11th

[jrosales13]

I am not only disappointed of your lack of common sense but also disappointed in your overrating a fighter who was coming off a great win like Nagy God, this is just pathetic but OK..

My god you are dumb
*cracks knuckles*


i agree with you on the points that fighters should all vacate the sanctioning body belts, and im assuming you would like the RING title to be the only one that a division paid any attention to. however - you act like solis (and im pretty sure he wasn't available at the time anyway BUT i may be wrong) was THAT much better than peter. peter at least came in in shape, and he had been training seriously. the same cant be said about solis. i bet peter was as good as he had ever been - but would it make a difference against wlad? its not like he picked some fighter not even in the top 100 and made a defense against him. with that said - fighting solis is a garbage fight too. everyone knows solis would get KTFO just as bad as peter would have. the only fights that mean ANYTHING in the division (haye, adamek, povetkin, and maybe valuev) can't come to fruition because fighters are DUCKING - or in valuevs case, he prices himself out of fights. why don't you ***** more about the other guys ducking instead of the difference of fighting solis or peter. most people were more interested in the peter fight anyway - just cause peter gave him a rough night way back when.

I could careless, if they keep the belt, vacate the belt, eat off the belt, wipe their ass with their belt, put it in a trophy case. It doesn't matter what they do with it. That is not my point at all.

Since you're slow I will say it more clearly. If you're a top fighter fight the best not the Peter and Chisora of the World back-to-back. Now if you not a top fighter then go ahead and fight that caliber of fighters.

I don't care if The Ring is the only belt or not. I would prefer personally have like the JBC and just recognize two belts in the WBA and WBC and the ring can be added for ****s and giggles. I am just that cuz The Ring champ doesn't necessary mean lineal champ. And, as long as people follow the history of the lineage than all that means nothing.

how ****ing ****** are you man? do you think im going to go dig through your near 20k posts and find out what your boxing views are? oh so, since apparently you keep up with every boxing scene member (because according to you, if you don't keep track of everyones history on here you don't deserve to post anything relevant to what they posted in the initial thread because you don't understand their COLLECTIVE boxing views) tell me, what was my #156th post? i mean - you would probably know before i would. you say im not familiar with history - HAHA omg this is a FORUM. i'm not even fully sure why im entertaining this post - but i guess you put so much into it i have to return the favor. your post is almost sig worthy - its just no good out of context.

That is not exactly what I meant but since you lack common sense and are kind of slow. I will explain it better.

Of course I am not that familiar with your posts. That is why I would not assume anything from you. Just like you not familiar with my posts obviously so why would you assume anything towards me like you did?

Make sense? Yes? No? Lets move on shall we........

on topic to this particular segment - why don't you throw in there that you want ALL titlists to vacate then? you certainly didn't mention any one else in your intial post. you just expect people to know your forum rep - but really no one gives a **** because most of what you say is probably ******ed.

Why would I make a list of all the title holders in a Wladimir Klitschko vs. Derek Chisora: who will win?

Yes this is the right the thread to be naming every title holder

what the hell? i'm saying that the sanctioning bodies are full of ****. despite them being full of **** - nearly every boxer is still gunning for their titles. just because you have a title doesn't mean you are a joe blow. just because you have a title doesn't mean you are a real champ either - depends on the road you took to get it - EX: haye is a paper titlist. wlad is not, dude has fought everyone.

Right and if you're an elite fighter you should be held to a higher standard than a joe blow is held to right?

So what standard should Wlad be held to? The top fighter standards or the joe blow standards?

yea, somewhere in my post i said "wlad is not an elite fighter" or something similar. oh wait on second thought, i can't find that, or how you would even get that out of my post.

once again though, the solis fight is still a "garbage ass fight" the only fights that aren't "garbage" are the ones that people give a damn about - and there are only 4 fighters wlad can fight that anyone cares about. solis isn't one of them.

also pac vs margarito is not the fight everyone wanted, but margarito is credible enough to make it acceptable. the only other people he really could have fought and made any money were Pwill and floyd. floyd didn't want pac, and it doesn't surprise anyone that pac doesn't want Pwill. how ever unlike pac, wlad has nearly ZERO options - because everyone worthwhile is ducking HIM. in pacquiaos case - he has a ton of great fighters to choose from - he just chose one that would make him some good bank.

No Marg is not credible but anyways.

Peter was done I don't care what shape he was in he was done. It was garbage fight. I could careless if he is in the best shape of his life and Solis is out of shape. Solis is still a much better opponent right now than Peter was.

It was not an anticipated fight, it wasn't an interesting fight any longer. It was 4 years overdue. The fight took back "WAY BACK WHEN" which made the fight useless. That nobody besides Klitschko nuthuggers were looking forward to.

TBH, i disagree. i felt like peter would have given some sort of trouble to nearly every other heavyweight not named klitschko. but again, thats my opinion - i can see your view point here, but you are acting like solis is the ultimate challenger or something. no one cares about a solis fight any more than they do a peter fight. the only one anyone cares about is haye, povetkin, haye, valuev - thats IT. the rest are just who ever is available that wants a nice beatdown. the outcome of a solis fight is no different, he wouldn't do any better. at least the peter fight is intriguing because of a rematch.



i mean, im assuming stuff based on heavy implications by your post - apparently you love to change directions by either not adding significant information, posting something extremely ******ed - or both.

are haye and povetkin (and adamek and valuev) the only HWs in the world? no - but they are the only ones that people want to see fight the klitschkos. looks like adamek may be the first and only one of the three to fight them, if he even does.

What makes you think Peter would have given any HW not named Klitschko trouble?

Oh I know why cuz he was coming off a KO win over the ATG Nagy? Is that why? GTFOH.

Peter was done. Solis might have gotten KO'd as well. But, make no mistake about that fat out of shape slob is much better than Samuel Peter is at this stage. Much better and an out of shape Solis would beat a great condition in shape Peter.

Samuel Peter was done, the rematch was 4 years overdue which made it useless. No credit to Wlad for that garbage ass fight.

However, if he fights Dimitrenko than I would give him a pass for the Peter fight cuz he would have fought Chagaev, Chambers, and Dimitrenko in 3 of his last 4 fights. Which is not bad and pretty damn impressive if you ask me. So I have no problem with a garbage ass Peter fight being sandwhiched between those fights.

However, if he fights Chisora then that is two back-to-back garbage fights that he should be criticized for.

Unless we not going to hold him to elite level standards. If we just going to hold him to joe blow standards than by all means fight these garbage fights.

[kenso]

it seems the whole basis (and a ******ed basis at that) of your post is that wlad should have fought or should be fighting solis. SOLIS ISNT GOOD!

would you have given him credit to fight solis? PROBABLY NOT

the only good fighters in the division do NOT want to fight him. how hard is that to understand? you act like there is a difference between fighting peter and solis. there ISN'T. IF solis is better than peter (and i REALLY dont think he is), then so what?! solis would still get annihilated just as bad and you know it.

start sending heat in the proper direction - against haye, povetkin, and adamek. don't turn heat toward the guy that is trying so hard to get them in the ring, hes going to fight the fighter that haye is supposedly going to fight next to get haye in the ring. dude - how often does that even happen?

i'm not entertaining any more of your ******ed posts. there is no way to have any logical conversation with you - you are just that god damn ******. seriously, you are a real idiot - i honestly mean that. its surprising that you can have 20k posts on a boxing board and still be so ignorant about the sport.

[Steelhammer2011]

The ******ed Klitschko hater jrosales was owned and humiliated in this thread.

[Rickety Cricket]

Wlad better beat him or that is extremely pathetic. I have never even heard of this bum, WLad by easy KO or stoppage

[Steelhammer2011]

Wlad better beat him or that is extremely pathetic. I have never even heard of this bum, WLad by easy KO or stoppage

Chisora is not a bum. He's undefeated, exciting, tough and can punch. At least Chisora has the balls to fight Wlad, unlike Haye, Povetkin, Valuev, Solis, etc.

[JAB5239]

Chisora is not a bum. He's undefeated, exciting, tough and can punch. At least Chisora has the balls to fight Wlad, unlike Haye, Povetkin, Valuev, Solis, etc.

He's undefeated, he's tough and he's never fought a top 25 fighter yet you would want us to believe this is a viable defense? Please. The heavyweight division is in such sad shape that a guy with 14 fights, who has never been rated in the top 10 can get a title shot. Its disgusting. If this fight happens it should be a non title fight as it is a complete and utter mismatch. Wlad doesn't deserve credit for a defense against such an inexperienced opponent. That's real talk, not hate.